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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0012668 | Dwarf Fortress | Combat -- General | public | 2024-01-24 17:21 | 2024-01-26 01:26 |
| Reporter | caldfir | Assigned To | |||
| Priority | normal | Severity | major | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | new | Resolution | open | ||
| Product Version | 50.11 | ||||
| Summary | 0012668: syndrome effects reduced by factor of 10000 | ||||
| Description | Testing with CE_FEVER indicates that a SEV:9900 is required to trigger a "slight fever" with "moderate fever" occurring around SEV:500000. This is *drastically* different from the values seen in the vanilla RAWs, which are all in the range 1-100. Additional syndrome effects appear to have the same issue: - CE_DIZZINESS - CE_PAIN - CE_NAUSEA The following effects have a single binary trigger somewhere around 9900 (on/off): - CE_NUMBNESS - CE_UNCONSCIOUSNESS - CE_IMPAIR_FUNCTION (tested on lungs) The following seems to be off by a factor of 0000036:0000100 rather than 10k: - CE_SWELLING (0000036:0000100 required to trigger "slight swelling" with "moderate swelling" at (remaining effects not tested, though anecdotally CE_NECROSIS definitely kills the heck outta things) | ||||
| Steps To Reproduce | - Add the following interactions to your game: https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=16980 - Open DF in testing-arena mode. - Pause the game. - Create a HUMAN on team 1 with condition "fever 50A" - Create a HUMAN on team 1 with condition "fever 9.9kA" - Create a HUMAN on team 1 with condition "fever 500kA" - Unpause for about 3s, re-pause. - Inspect each creature's HEALTH tab. You will observe NO FEVER on the first human, "slight" fever on the second, and "moderate" on the third. - Compare the CE_FEVER:SEV values in the provided syndromes to those in the vanilla RAWs (for example creature_bug_slug_new.txt::SPIDER_BROWN_RECLUSE). | ||||
| Additional Information | forum post: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=182357.msg8525862#msg8525862 (contains detailed outline of research method and findings) confirmed present in the following versions: - 0.50.11 (present: tested in arena + fortress modes) - 0.47.05 (present: tested in arena) - 0.43.05 (present: tested in arena) - 0.34.11 (slightly different manifestation) - values below CE_FEVER:SEV:9900 result in "slight fever" rather than zero-fever | ||||
| Tags | syndrome | ||||
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Accidentally created unintended links in description. Paragraph should read: The following seems to be off by a factor of 100 rather than 10k: - CE_SWELLING (100 required to trigger "slightly swollen"desc with "heavily swollen"desc at 5000) |
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With a hint from Putnam, tracked down a related post from Toady: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=169696.msg8083872#msg8083872 "The SYN_CONCENTRATION_ADDED tag was a precaution after I had one bug with effects not fully manifesting due to low levels. It may not be necessary, but I decided to give everybody a full dose of the juice until I could get a closer look at it." This refers to a bunch of [SYN_CONCENTRATION_ADDED:1000:0] in the example interactions (and presumably in the generated ones). This means that this is a known issue, but may mean that the scope is limited to interactions and not direct material-based syndromes. This does also give a reasonable workaround for modders, though it means the wiki documentation is just flat-out wrong on how this works. note: even with this SYN_CONCENTRATION_ADDED:1000 added, things would still be off by a factor of 10 (I think?) |
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After more investigation, the issue seems limited to INTERACTION and VERMIN_BITE applied syndromes. These have no available source for initial "concentration" provided, so they rely on SYN_CONCENTRATION_ADDED to embed that information into the syndrome itself (the workaround in the linked post by Tarn). This remains a problem, however, since SYN_CONCENTRATION_ADDED is capped at 1000, and a value of 10,000 would be needed for CE_FEVER:SEV:100 to correspond to a "serious fever". |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2024-01-24 17:21 | caldfir | New Issue | |
| 2024-01-24 17:21 | caldfir | Tag Attached: syndrome | |
| 2024-01-24 17:26 | caldfir | Note Added: 0042016 | |
| 2024-01-25 15:05 | caldfir | Note Added: 0042018 | |
| 2024-01-25 15:06 | caldfir | Note Added: 0042019 | |
| 2024-01-25 15:08 | caldfir | Note Edited: 0042018 | |
| 2024-01-26 01:26 | caldfir | Note Edited: 0042019 |
