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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0001279 | Dwarf Fortress | World Generation -- General | public | 2010-04-17 13:38 | 2017-09-04 13:56 |
| Reporter | Assigned To | ||||
| Priority | low | Severity | trivial | Reproducibility | sometimes |
| Status | confirmed | Resolution | open | ||
| Product Version | 0.31.03 | ||||
| Summary | 0001279: Random creature generator occasionally reuses species names | ||||
| Description | When creating a new world, random demon types are created and given names. With a larger number of demon types, odds are that the type names are duplicates (i.e., you might end up with two different demon types called mite demons). Relatedly, one might end up with gila monster monsters. | ||||
| Steps To Reproduce | Choose to design a new world, edit the option for demon types to be a high number, generate the world, and do a text export (p). The sites and pops file should include a list of generated demon types (unnumbered blah) at the bottom. A quick alphabet sort of that list should uncover any duplicates. | ||||
| Additional Information | Demon type naming is rather simple right now, preferring to refer to the base animal or material, and occasionally using the main creature color or a physical feature, plus a word like demon, brute, etc. More variety in how the name is created might reduce the duplicates (such as "gold lion brute" or "eyeless viper demon"). | ||||
| Tags | No tags attached. | ||||
| parent of | 0001625 | new | duplicate foodpile "savanna titan" entry | |
| Not all the children of this issue are yet resolved or closed. | ||||
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Unless I am horribly misunderstanding, I think you might be confusing creature type with creature name. All creatures have names which is independent from their creature type. So you could have a million "mites", but you'd have "Timad, a mite" and "Urist, a mite", etc. The problem here might be that text exporting exports the type, not the name |
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I think you're misunderstanding. I'm talking about populations, not people. At the bottom of the export file I mentioned, you find something like this: Underground Animal Populations (Including Undead) 46135 gorlaks 46098 trolls ... 16757 magma men Unnumbered ape devils Unnumbered sauropod devils Unnumbered one-eyed fiends Unnumbered monsters of brine Unnumbered tortoise devils Unnumbered brass fiends Unnumbered boiling specters Unnumbered scorching banshees Unnumbered elk monsters Unnumbered leech demons Unnumbered dimetrodon devils Unnumbered gray haunts Unnumbered steam wraiths Unnumbered water fiends Unnumbered lizard fiends Unnumbered brine spirits Unnumbered scorching fiends Unnumbered tortoise monsters Unnumbered chincilla monsters Unnumbered giraffe demons Unnumbered brine phantoms Unnumbered olive monsters Unnumbered monsters of soot 59786 cave spiders ... This list doesn't contain any repeated type names, but it randomly might (or almost certainly will, if you generate a world with many demon types). |
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"This list doesn't contain any repeated type names, but it randomly might..." Have you verified that it happens? I read everything you wrote and I really can't tell whether you're speculating or have actually seen it happen. If it does happen, it would be helpful to have more information about the specific cases (at a minimum, the creature type name that got duplicated). |
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I've seen it happen, yes. I'm not sure how likely it is with the default values, though. In a test case with 1000 demon types, I got triplicates, even. I've since deleted that one, but I just generated a quick test with 50 demon types, and got two duplicates (amber fiends x2 and horned demons x2). Population list: 16696 fire men Unnumbered clear brutes Unnumbered panther devils Unnumbered flash fiends Unnumbered horned demons Unnumbered brutes of flame Unnumbered steam devils Unnumbered snail fiends Unnumbered stegosaurid brutes Unnumbered slush haunts Unnumbered wraiths of steam Unnumbered buffalo fiends Unnumbered glass devils Unnumbered amber fiends Unnumbered winged demons Unnumbered rove beetle brutes Unnumbered haunts of flame Unnumbered hornbill brutes Unnumbered ghosts of steam Unnumbered snow banshees Unnumbered spirits of steam Unnumbered assassin bug demons Unnumbered scarab beetle devils Unnumbered ash specters Unnumbered skinless demons Unnumbered three-eyed demons Unnumbered dimetrodon devils Unnumbered boiling brutes Unnumbered horned demons Unnumbered gray fiends Unnumbered sauropod devils Unnumbered phantoms of flame Unnumbered hyena monsters Unnumbered kestrel monsters Unnumbered amber fiends Unnumbered raccoon brutes Unnumbered brine brutes Unnumbered snail brutes Unnumbered pterosaur monsters Unnumbered monkey fiends Unnumbered loris devils Unnumbered lemur demons Unnumbered jay monsters 57823 bats Gen info: Created in DF v0.31.03. [WORLD_GEN] [TITLE:MEDIUM REGION] [SEED:4151018244] [HISTORY_SEED:3779356432] [NAME_SEED:3694733214] [CREATURE_SEED:710580734] [DIM:129:129] [EMBARK_POINTS:1274] [END_YEAR:2] [BEAST_END_YEAR:200:80] [REVEAL_ALL_HISTORY:1] [CULL_HISTORICAL_FIGURES:0] [ELEVATION:1:400:401:401] [RAINFALL:0:100:200:200] [TEMPERATURE:25:75:200:200] [DRAINAGE:0:100:200:200] [VOLCANISM:0:100:200:200] [SAVAGERY:0:100:200:200] [ELEVATION_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1] [RAIN_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1] [DRAINAGE_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1] [TEMPERATURE_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1] [SAVAGERY_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1] [VOLCANISM_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1] [TITAN_NUMBER:9] [TITAN_ATTACK_TRIGGER:80:0:100000] [DEMON_NUMBER:50] [GOOD_SQ_COUNTS:25:251:503] [EVIL_SQ_COUNTS:25:251:503] [PEAK_NUMBER_MIN:12] [PARTIAL_OCEAN_EDGE_MIN:1] [COMPLETE_OCEAN_EDGE_MIN:0] [VOLCANO_MIN:3] [REGION_COUNTS:SWAMP:260:1:1] [REGION_COUNTS:DESERT:260:1:1] [REGION_COUNTS:FOREST:1040:3:3] [REGION_COUNTS:MOUNTAINS:2080:2:2] [REGION_COUNTS:OCEAN:2080:1:1] [REGION_COUNTS:GLACIER:0:0:0] [REGION_COUNTS:TUNDRA:0:0:0] [REGION_COUNTS:GRASSLAND:2080:3:3] [REGION_COUNTS:HILLS:2080:3:3] [EROSION_CYCLE_COUNT:250] [RIVER_MINS:100:100] [PERIODICALLY_ERODE_EXTREMES:1] [OROGRAPHIC_PRECIPITATION:1] [SUBREGION_MAX:2750] [CAVERN_LAYER_COUNT:3] [CAVERN_LAYER_OPENNESS_MIN:0] [CAVERN_LAYER_OPENNESS_MAX:100] [CAVERN_LAYER_PASSAGE_DENSITY_MIN:0] [CAVERN_LAYER_PASSAGE_DENSITY_MAX:100] [CAVERN_LAYER_WATER_MIN:0] [CAVERN_LAYER_WATER_MAX:100] [HAVE_BOTTOM_LAYER_1:1] [HAVE_BOTTOM_LAYER_2:1] [LEVELS_ABOVE_GROUND:15] [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_1:5] [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_2:1] [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_3:1] [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_4:1] [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_5:2] [LEVELS_AT_BOTTOM:1] [CAVE_MIN_SIZE:5] [CAVE_MIN_SIZE:5] [CAVE_MAX_SIZE:25] [MOUNTAIN_CAVE_MIN:25] [NON_MOUNTAIN_CAVE_MIN:50] [ALL_CAVES_VISIBLE:0] [SHOW_EMBARK_TUNNEL:2] [TOTAL_CIV_NUMBER:20] [TOTAL_CIV_POPULATION:20000] [PLAYABLE_CIVILIZATION_REQUIRED:1] [ELEVATION_RANGES:2080:4160:2080] [RAIN_RANGES:2080:4160:2080] [DRAINAGE_RANGES:2080:4160:2080] [SAVAGERY_RANGES:2080:4160:2080] [VOLCANISM_RANGES:2080:4160:2080] |
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Ah, okay, thanks. |
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Can confirm is still present in 0.40.14 My results: 7909 magma men 12182 magma crabs Unnumbered tortoise fiends Unnumbered leech devils Unnumbered white wraiths Unnumbered tick devils Unnumbered demons of shadow Unnumbered phantoms of embers Unnumbered earthworm monsters Unnumbered lavender blush fiends Unnumbered winged brutes Unnumbered winged brutes Unnumbered raccoon brutes Unnumbered earthworm monsters Unnumbered white devils Unnumbered gray brutes Unnumbered leech devils Unnumbered dung beetle brutes Unnumbered shade phantoms Unnumbered beaver demons Unnumbered steam spirits Unnumbered sterling silver brutes Unnumbered sludge fiends Unnumbered phantoms of steam Unnumbered theropod monsters Unnumbered mammoth devils 183431 cave spiders 186838 bats I have two cases of winged brutes and two leech devils |
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Technically, It is entirely possible for two different species to be named the same, either because they were named independently of each other or due to stupidity/similarity. Many different species of plants have the same trivial names, because people cant tell them from each other. So not sure this is a bug at all. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2010-04-17 13:38 |
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New Issue | |
| 2010-04-17 13:47 | SirPenguin | Note Added: 0003988 | |
| 2010-04-17 13:56 |
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Note Added: 0003989 | |
| 2010-04-17 14:57 |
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Note Added: 0003994 | |
| 2010-04-17 14:57 |
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Note Edited: 0003994 | |
| 2010-04-17 15:00 |
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Note Edited: 0003994 | |
| 2010-04-17 15:11 |
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Note Added: 0003997 | |
| 2010-04-17 15:12 |
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Note Added: 0003998 | |
| 2010-04-17 15:13 |
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Summary | Random creature types have exact same names => Random creature generator occasionaly reuses species names |
| 2010-04-17 15:14 |
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Summary | Random creature generator occasionaly reuses species names => Random creature generator occasionally reuses species names |
| 2010-04-29 09:00 |
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Relationship added | parent of 0001625 |
| 2014-10-29 13:21 | JayJayForce | Note Added: 0030785 | |
| 2014-10-29 17:02 |
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Assigned To | => user6 |
| 2014-10-29 17:02 |
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Status | new => confirmed |
| 2017-09-04 13:56 | grand sage | Note Added: 0036727 |
