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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0000145 | Dwarf Fortress | Arena | public | 2010-04-02 09:34 | 2015-05-13 11:17 |
| Reporter | lvk | Assigned To | lethosor | ||
| Priority | low | Severity | text | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | acknowledged | Resolution | open | ||
| Summary | 0000145: Arena creature gender bias | ||||
| Description | If you have two creatures with different names to fit their gender (e.g. 'amphibian man' and 'amphibian woman'), if you'd spawn the amphibian woman, the creature's name would be Amphibian Man. The creature's description will still read 'she' (e.g. 'her skin is copper'). This also applies to 'bat man' and 'bat woman', 'cave shallow man' and 'cave shallow woman', 'olm man' and 'olm woman', 'reptile man' and 'reptile woman', etc. In the case of spawning a giantess, not only does its name show up as Giant, but the pronouns are all male ('his skin is peach'), for some reason. | ||||
| Steps To Reproduce | Spawn a female creature in the Object Testing Arena with a name different from its male variant. | ||||
| Additional Information | I'm not sure whether this has been reported already or not. | ||||
| Tags | Arena Mode, Giantess, Intentional/Expected? | ||||
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However, it DOES show up semi-correctly in the [r]eports page: "the amphibian woman Amphibian Man 1 is fighting!" and "the bat woman Bat Man 1 is fighting!" Also, the reason for the odd behavior of the 'giant' and 'giantess' creatures is that the genders are swapped ('giant' is female, 'giantess' is male). |
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Related to 0000117, 0000106, 0000031. |
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Wouldn't this just be because '(creature) man' is the name of the species? |
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"Man" has been used to describe the entire human race. Such as "The Dawn of Man". Though not as commonly used in this day and age. |
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This is an old issue, but just adding: what would be the best way of resolving this? For example, let's say I place an Amphibian Man and then an Amphibian Woman. Currently, it is as so: Amphibian Man 1 (man) Amphibian Man 2 (woman) There are two methods I can think of to change this: Method 1: Separating by Caste Amphibian Man 1 (man) Amphibian Woman 1 (woman) Method 2: Incremental Amphibian Man 1 (man) Amphibian Woman 2 (woman) And of course, keeping as is. As such, I added the Intentional/Expected tag. The summary should be changed from "gender bias" to "caste indifference, which can cause gender bias". |
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Still in 40.0x |
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Still in 0.40.24 vanilla Arena: spawning of creature "giantess" makes a giantess called "Giant 1", spawning of creature "aardvark woman" makes an aardvark woman called "Aardvark Man 1" so three years old report from dree12 still holds. In contrary to original report, creature "giantess" spawns a female creature with "Her" used in descriptions. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2010-04-02 09:34 | lvk | New Issue | |
| 2010-04-02 09:36 | MNeis | Tag Attached: Arena Mode | |
| 2010-04-02 09:38 | lvk | Note Added: 0000202 | |
| 2010-04-02 09:39 |
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Tag Attached: Giantess | |
| 2010-04-02 09:43 | lvk | Note Edited: 0000202 | |
| 2010-04-02 09:47 |
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Note Added: 0000210 | |
| 2010-04-08 20:03 | JoRo | Note Added: 0002234 | |
| 2010-04-08 20:06 | Greyhawk | Note Added: 0002235 | |
| 2010-04-29 13:24 |
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Category | General => Arena |
| 2012-03-30 17:59 | dree12 | Note Added: 0021924 | |
| 2012-03-30 17:59 | dree12 | Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected? | |
| 2012-03-31 15:11 | dree12 | Tag Detached: Intentional/Expected? | |
| 2012-03-31 15:11 | dree12 | Tag Attached: Possibly intended behaviour | |
| 2014-07-11 19:44 | SirPenguin | Note Added: 0025910 | |
| 2014-07-27 05:30 | lethosor | Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected? | |
| 2014-07-27 05:30 | lethosor | Tag Detached: Possibly intended behaviour | |
| 2015-05-13 10:53 | lethosor | Relationship added | related to 0000031 |
| 2015-05-13 10:53 | lethosor | Relationship added | related to 0000106 |
| 2015-05-13 10:53 | lethosor | Relationship added | related to 0000117 |
| 2015-05-13 10:54 | lethosor | Assigned To | => lethosor |
| 2015-05-13 10:54 | lethosor | Status | new => acknowledged |
| 2015-05-13 11:17 |
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Note Added: 0032678 |
