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0002892Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Tradepublic2014-07-11 06:56
Reportercephalo Assigned ToToady One  
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
Status resolvedResolutionfixed 
Product Version0.31.12 
Fixed in Version0.40.01 
Summary0002892: Different liaison every year
DescriptionLiaisons are now being replaced when lost, which is great. However, it seems that there is a different liaison each year. It's never the same one for any of the different civs. That seems unintended.
TagsNo tags attached.

Relationships

related to 0001102 resolvedToady One Liaisons/diplomats not replaced 
parent of 0003089 resolvedToady One Human caravan sending diplomat instead of merchant noble 
has duplicate 0002931 resolveduser11 New (additional) liaison every year 
related to 0003035 resolveduser6 Crash when meeting with Elf diplomat 

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cephalo

2010-07-31 19:55

reporter   ~0011344

My fort is about 18 years old now. I wonder if all my liaisons were historical figures who were too old, and thus keep dying. Maybe I should make a backup, abandon, and then check the legends.

Heinzy

2010-08-01 03:37

reporter   ~0011351

I've experienced the same but only with the elves. I might also add that they always greet me with the dwarven greeting (I'm your liason from the Mountainhome).

Quietust

2010-08-23 08:28

reporter   ~0012045

In Legends mode, it looks like the new liaison is getting appointed when the caravan arrives and subsequently removed from the position upon leaving the map.

Quietust

2010-08-29 15:04

reporter   ~0012235

Last edited: 2010-09-21 21:29

Further experience in my current fortress seems to indicate that this is not limited to the Dwarven liaison. It also applies to Human law-givers (they'll visit once after you get your Baron, go through the usual "such a nice place you've carved out", then leave, never to be seen again), as well as invaders (a Goblin civilization sent its General after me, and after he fled he vanished from the civ list and prevented all future goblin sieges from riding giant olms since he was presumably the one who tamed them).

vadia

2010-10-06 14:48

reporter   ~0013226

I got an engraved image of the replacement -- is this actually a bug or bizzare feature?

smjjames

2010-10-06 15:08

reporter   ~0013228

This might be a bizarre feature that is caused by an unintended bug. Its one of those things that are both a feature and a bug.

Quietust

2010-10-06 21:59

reporter   ~0013233

Last edited: 2010-10-06 22:00

In a newly generated 0.31.14 fortress with a few raw tweaks (namely, adding a special Diplomat position to both the Human and Elven civilizations, mostly copy/pasted from the Dwarven diplomat position), appointment of a Baron has triggered the arrival of both elven and human diplomats (interestingly, the Humans did not send their Law-giver) in the same manner as back in 40d (Elven diplomat unannounced at the very beginning of Spring with "first contact" text, then the Human diplomat several days after the caravan arrived).

Curiously, both diplomats failed to show up in the Civ list until they appeared on the map, and (as per this bug) they both disappeared once they left. Only time will tell whether or not these diplomats get replaced next year.

Quietust

2010-10-07 21:53

reporter   ~0013250

Last edited: 2010-10-07 21:59

It looks like positions responsible for diplomacy and nothing else do properly get replaced when they're made to visit - a replacement Elven diplomat arrived the following year, 1 week after the arrival of the caravan, and proposed a tree cutting quota, complete with the proper Elven diplomat greeting and farewell text. Presumably, the additional responsibilities assigned to the Human's Law-giver prevented a new one from being automatically appointed.

Quietust

2010-10-17 20:27

reporter   ~0013400

Last edited: 2010-10-17 20:46

Part of this appears to have changed in version 0.31.16 - Law-givers are being replaced now. I loaded up one of my old 0.31.12 fortresses (where the Human civilization's Law-giver had visited once over a decade ago and then vanished forever), and a new Law-giver was appointed and arrived the very next summer.

lethosor

2014-05-24 20:13

manager   ~0024769

Last edited: 2014-05-24 20:14

According to http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/#2014-05-24 , this is fixed in the next version.

thvaz

2014-07-11 00:17

reporter   ~0025699

This bug is a duplicate of http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=2931, that was marked as fixed in 0.40.01.

user6

2014-07-11 06:56

  ~0025739

thvaz: 0002931 seems to be about additional, rather than replacement, liaisons. They might have the same root cause, but the symptoms are different enough to warrant separate reports. If this one's fixed too though, let us know.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2010-07-29 17:45 cephalo New Issue
2010-07-31 19:55 cephalo Note Added: 0011344
2010-08-01 03:37 Heinzy Note Added: 0011351
2010-08-01 10:24 user6 Relationship added related to 0001002
2010-08-01 10:24 user6 Relationship deleted related to 0001002
2010-08-01 10:24 user6 Relationship added related to 0001102
2010-08-02 13:00 user6 Relationship added parent of 0002931
2010-08-15 16:37 user6 Relationship added related to 0003035
2010-08-22 18:42 user6 Relationship added parent of 0003089
2010-08-23 08:28 Quietust Note Added: 0012045
2010-08-29 15:04 Quietust Note Added: 0012235
2010-08-29 15:06 Quietust Note Edited: 0012235
2010-09-21 21:29 Quietust Note Edited: 0012235
2010-10-06 14:48 vadia Note Added: 0013226
2010-10-06 15:08 smjjames Note Added: 0013228
2010-10-06 21:59 Quietust Note Added: 0013233
2010-10-06 22:00 Quietust Note Edited: 0013233
2010-10-07 21:53 Quietust Note Added: 0013250
2010-10-07 21:59 Quietust Note Edited: 0013250
2010-10-17 20:27 Quietust Note Added: 0013400
2010-10-17 20:46 Quietust Note Edited: 0013400
2014-05-24 20:13 lethosor Note Added: 0024769
2014-05-24 20:14 lethosor Note Edited: 0024769
2014-05-24 20:14 lethosor Note Edited: 0024769
2014-05-24 22:50 user6 Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.34.12?
2014-05-30 12:38 user11 Assigned To => user11
2014-05-30 12:38 user11 Status new => acknowledged
2014-07-07 22:23 user6 Tag Renamed Fixed in 0.34.12? => Fixed in 0.40.01?
2014-07-11 00:17 thvaz Note Added: 0025699
2014-07-11 00:46 thvaz Tag Attached: duplicate of a fixed bug
2014-07-11 06:56 user11 Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.40.01?
2014-07-11 06:56 user11 Tag Detached: duplicate of a fixed bug
2014-07-11 06:56 user6 Note Added: 0025739
2014-07-11 06:56 user11 Status acknowledged => resolved
2014-07-11 06:56 user11 Fixed in Version => 0.40.01
2014-07-11 06:56 user11 Resolution open => fixed
2014-07-11 06:56 user11 Assigned To user11 => Toady One
2014-07-11 06:58 user11 Relationship replaced has duplicate 0002931