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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0003295 | Dwarf Fortress | Dwarf Mode -- Trade | public | 2010-09-21 20:14 | 2014-07-23 15:24 |
| Reporter | vadia | Assigned To | Toady One | ||
| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | random |
| Status | resolved | Resolution | fixed | ||
| Fixed in Version | 0.40.05 | ||||
| Summary | 0003295: Elves don't have diplomats/liaisons | ||||
| Description | The elven caravan shows up without a liason -- I can exploit this and deforest the whole world! Was this intentional? | ||||
| Tags | Probable Quick Fix | ||||
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In 0.31.12 and earlier, 0003089 caused Elven caravans to spawn a liaison which just happened to act like a diplomat; since Elves don't have any positions responsible for diplomacy, they no longer have any real Diplomats to send before/after the caravan (like Human law-givers) and impose tree cutting limits. |
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Do you have a king/queen? In 31.12 if you get the king/queen no more diplomats show up for some reason. |
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no, it's my second year |
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I would also like to have the elven diplomat show up. *bump* |
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Perhaps a better title for this bug would be "Elves don't have Diplomats", since Elven caravans were never supposed to have liaisons anyways (Human caravans are, but that's another issue altogether). |
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In my current fortress, I did a bit of an experiment: I edited the entity raws and created a Diplomat position for the Elves: [POSITION:DIPLOMAT] [NAME:Diplomat:Diplomats] [NUMBER:1] [RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_INTRODUCTIONS] [RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_PEACE_AGREEMENTS] [RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_TOPIC_AGREEMENTS] [APPOINTED_BY:DRUID] [PRECEDENCE:70] [DO_NOT_CULL] [COLOR:7:0:1] [MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION] [SLEEP_PRETENSION] [PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION] [ACCOUNT_EXEMPT] [DUTY_BOUND] After my Baroness got appointed, an Elven diplomat appeared on the map edge at the very beginning of Spring (long before the caravan would show up) without any announcement, ran to my Mayor, said "You have disrespected the trees in this area, but this is what we have come to expect from your stunted kind. Further abuse cannot be tolerated. Let this be a warning to you.", then left. I should note that this is exactly how Elven diplomats behaved back in 40d and earlier (the very first visit was unannounced and only contained a complaint; subsequent visits were announced and proposed quotas), so this may possibly be a solution that will restore treecutting quotas in 0.31.13 and later (unless 0002892 prevents the diplomat from ever coming back). |
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Success! One week after the Elven caravan arrived, the announcement "A elven diplomat from Thadaroyonali has arrived." popped up and a white "E" appeared at the map edge. Upon examination, it was definitely a different Elf than before (due to 0002892), but she went straight to my Mayor with the Elven greeting ("Greetings from the woodlands. We have much to discuss."), proposed and finalized a wood cutting quota, then departed with the usual remark ("Although we do not always see eye to eye (ha!), I bid you farewell. May you someday embrace nature as you embrace the rocks and mud."). |
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So this is yet another thing missing from the raws rather than needing a code change? Will test this tonight. |
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Do note that you'll almost definitely have to generate a new world in order for this to take effect. |
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Having a quick look through entity_default.txt in df_31_16_win.zip\raw\objects it seems that the Humans have no positions with [RESPONSIBILITY:ESTABLISH_COLONY_TRADE_AGREEMENTS], [RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_INTRODUCTIONS], [RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_PEACE_AGREEMENTS] or [RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_TOPIC_AGREEMENTS] defined either. |
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Maliby Stacey: Humans have [VARIABLE_POSITIONS:ALL], which permits them to create positions (such as Law-giver) during worldgen which then take on those sorts of responsibilities. Incidentally, the "guild representative" position (which is missing, as noted in 0003089) can also be created for the Humans using the following: [POSITION:GUILD_REPRESENTATIVE] [NAME:Guild Representative:Guild Representatives] [NUMBER:1] [RESPONSIBILITY:TRADE] [PRECEDENCE:40] [MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION] [SLEEP_PRETENSION] [PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION] [ACCOUNT_EXEMPT] [DO_NOT_CULL] [COLOR:7:0:1] [DUTY_BOUND] |
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Reminder sent to: Quietust, vadia Is this issue still present in 31.19? |
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I haven't played version 0.31.19 yet, but given that the Elven entity raws haven't changed, I would expect this problem to still be present. |
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*BUMP* This is still the Case in 0.31.25 Additional: Occasionally the Dwarven Liason will make the standard elf complaint vis a vi trees. Most often I find this occurs after switching machines. No Idea on reproducing. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2010-09-21 20:14 | vadia | New Issue | |
| 2010-09-21 21:18 | Quietust | Note Added: 0012876 | |
| 2010-09-21 21:22 | hyndis | Note Added: 0012877 | |
| 2010-09-21 21:23 | Quietust | Note Edited: 0012876 | |
| 2010-09-22 05:04 | vadia | Note Added: 0012881 | |
| 2010-09-25 19:41 | greycat | Note Added: 0012988 | |
| 2010-10-04 10:13 | Quietust | Note Added: 0013190 | |
| 2010-10-06 16:38 | Quietust | Note Added: 0013229 | |
| 2010-10-06 16:39 | Quietust | Note Edited: 0013229 | |
| 2010-10-06 16:43 | Quietust | Note Edited: 0013229 | |
| 2010-10-07 21:34 | Quietust | Note Added: 0013249 | |
| 2010-10-08 05:02 | Malibu Stacey | Note Added: 0013254 | |
| 2010-10-08 05:53 | Quietust | Note Added: 0013258 | |
| 2010-10-08 09:53 | Malibu Stacey | Note Added: 0013263 | |
| 2010-10-08 10:19 | Quietust | Note Added: 0013265 | |
| 2010-10-08 10:19 | Quietust | Note Edited: 0013265 | |
| 2010-11-16 13:30 |
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Summary | no laison comes with the caravan => Elves don't have diplomats/liaisons |
| 2010-11-16 13:30 |
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Tag Attached: Probable Quick Fix | |
| 2010-11-21 10:24 | Quietust | Note Edited: 0013265 | |
| 2011-02-28 17:12 |
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Note Added: 0015598 | |
| 2011-02-28 17:26 | Quietust | Note Added: 0015599 | |
| 2011-06-16 18:28 | Quietust | Note Edited: 0013265 | |
| 2011-09-29 14:16 | nshapter | Note Added: 0018763 | |
| 2014-07-23 15:24 | Toady One | Status | new => resolved |
| 2014-07-23 15:24 | Toady One | Fixed in Version | => Next Version |
| 2014-07-23 15:24 | Toady One | Resolution | open => fixed |
| 2014-07-23 15:24 | Toady One | Assigned To | => Toady One |
