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0008129Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Noblespublic2014-08-23 12:562018-05-25 04:28
ReporterHopFlash Assigned Touser6 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
Status confirmedResolutionopen 
PlatformPCOSWindowsOS Version7
Product Version0.40.09 
Summary0008129: Positions disappear from nobles screen when expedition leader is promoted to monarch
DescriptionSmall world with 10000 years history.
In the first year I got a 5 undeads siege and I barricaded my dwarves.
Next spring the following message appears:
"After a polite discussion with local rivals, Bembul Singeclasped has claimed the position of king of The Dented Hammer."
Bembul was my expedition leader (and manager, bookkeeper etc.).
After that there are only the following nobles and administrator positions left:
king, militia commander, chief medical dwarf, militia captain

This is the savegame exactly after this event:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17094484/region1-spr-10000%20-%20King.zip

Playing along the king works as a normal dwarf (works in workshops, hauling etc.) and makes mandates and grumbles about his rooms.
But I can't appoint any manager etc. anymore.
Additional InformationAdditional saves:
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=9566 (0.40.10, 0008192)
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=10950 (0.40.24, 0008998)
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related to 0005299 confirmeduser6 If fortress population drops to 1 child or insane dwarf, can't appoint/elect nobles when migrants arrive 
has duplicate 0008192 resolveduser1294 Promotion to king causes loss of noble positions 
has duplicate 0008268 resolveduser6 After becoming king in first season, all other noble positions disappear. 
has duplicate 0008998 resolveduser1294 Promotion of Expedition Leader to King removes all other Noble positions 
related to 0007083 confirmeduser6 Automatic promotion of SITE member to MONARCH causes loss of SITE positions 

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HopFlash

2014-08-23 14:17

reporter   ~0029537

Playing along to 24th Felsite 10001 and I have the missing administrator positions back again.
But something "big" happens immediately before. I made a trap way for the undeads and positioned my only fighter as last defence line (it was a very bad idea and/or implementation).
My fighter died and with that the following announcements appeared:
"Bomrek Ilidzon, Axedwarf has been found dead."
"Bembul Cudgelkingdoms has assumed the position of expedition leader of The Symmetric Axe."

Now the dialog has all positions again:
king, expedition leader, militia commander, sheriff, hammerer, manager, chief medical dwarf, broker, bookkeeper

HopFlash

2014-08-30 07:36

reporter   ~0029799

ok...new additional information:
I put my actual militia commander as militia captain. Then militia commander position disappeared too.
Unpaused the game a little bit later one of my dwarves took the role as expedition leader and like in the comment before all positions appear again.

so this could be a potential workaround I think.

user1294

2014-08-30 13:37

  ~0029808

Bouchart posted a save at 0008192.

user1294

2015-06-24 09:54

  ~0032803

Urist McBugrep posted a 0.40.24 save at 0008998.

Huntthetroll

2015-11-22 15:37

reporter   ~0033163

Last edited: 2015-11-22 15:47

 This bug happened to me in 0.40.24 as well. My militia commander declared himself king, and then the position of militia commander disappeared from my nobles screen. The [r]eplace option was also greyed out for all noble positions.

Workaround: On the military screen, I created a new, empty squad that would be led by the militia commander. I then used Dwarf Therapist to assign the new king to the squad. After committing the changes, the king was restored to the militia commander position (as well as being king), and I can appoint new militia captains once again. However, I am still unable to replace the manager, bookkeeper and broker.

Additional Note: The militia commander was also expedition leader before appointing himself king. Shortly after he became king, another dwarf became expedition leader. With that, my ability to appoint nobles was restored.

TheCrazyHamsteR

2017-09-11 14:11

reporter   ~0036732

Last edited: 2017-09-15 17:59

 Appears to be fixed in v0.43.03. After my expedition leader got promoted to monarch, another dwarf from my fort was assigned as new expedition leader after a while, and then positions reappeared on the noble screen.

crul

2018-05-25 04:28

reporter   ~0038378

Last edited: 2018-05-25 04:34

 I've experimented this issue with version 0.44.10 when embarking in a civilization without king.

First year of the fortress with the first immigrant wave just arrived. Urist McExpeditionLeader was the Leader, Manager and Bookkeeper. The other only noble position appointed was the Broker.

Then our leader declared himself King and demanded a room better than the entire fort :).

At that moment the nobles screen shows only the King and the Broker and I cannot replace any of them.

I used the workaround with Dwarf Therapist told by Huntthetroll (comment 0033163) and it shows the militia commander and militia captain.

Then, as other has reported, after a while, another dwarf declared expedition leader himself and then positions reappeared on the noble screen and everything works.

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Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2014-08-23 12:56 HopFlash New Issue
2014-08-23 14:17 HopFlash Note Added: 0029537
2014-08-24 07:25 user6 Relationship added related to 0005299
2014-08-30 07:36 HopFlash Note Added: 0029799
2014-08-30 13:35 user1294 Relationship added has duplicate 0008192
2014-08-30 13:37 user1294 Note Added: 0029808
2014-09-10 16:22 user6 Relationship added has duplicate 0008268
2014-09-10 16:22 user6 Assigned To => user6
2014-09-10 16:22 user6 Status new => confirmed
2014-09-10 16:23 user6 Summary King promotion causes loss of several administrator positions => Positions disappear from nobles screen when expedition leader is promoted to monarch
2014-09-10 18:16 lethosor Additional Information Updated
2014-12-20 13:55 user6 Relationship added related to 0007083
2015-06-24 09:54 user1294 Relationship added has duplicate 0008998
2015-06-24 09:54 user1294 Note Added: 0032803
2015-06-24 12:47 lethosor Additional Information Updated
2015-06-24 12:47 lethosor Additional Information Updated
2015-11-22 15:37 Huntthetroll Note Added: 0033163
2015-11-22 15:38 Huntthetroll Note Edited: 0033163
2015-11-22 15:44 Huntthetroll Note Edited: 0033163
2015-11-22 15:47 Huntthetroll Note Edited: 0033163
2017-09-11 14:11 TheCrazyHamsteR Note Added: 0036732
2017-09-15 17:59 TheCrazyHamsteR Note Edited: 0036732
2018-05-25 04:28 crul Note Added: 0038378
2018-05-25 04:28 crul Note Edited: 0038378
2018-05-25 04:29 crul Note Edited: 0038378
2018-05-25 04:29 crul Note Edited: 0038378
2018-05-25 04:29 crul Note Edited: 0038378
2018-05-25 04:31 crul Note Edited: 0038378
2018-05-25 04:32 crul Note Edited: 0038378
2018-05-25 04:34 crul Note Edited: 0038378