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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0000919 | Dwarf Fortress | Dwarf Mode -- Trade | public | 2010-04-10 02:28 | 2012-05-14 08:39 |
| Reporter | Jimmy | Assigned To | |||
| Priority | low | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | new | Resolution | open | ||
| Product Version | 0.31.01 | ||||
| Summary | 0000919: Elven merchants will accept some item types (e.g. rough/cut gems) without checking material (e.g. clear/crystal glass) | ||||
| Description | Elves will view items including clear glass as tree based, resulting in refusal to trade. | ||||
| Steps To Reproduce | Create clear glass item or encrust item with clear glass. Attempt to trade to elves. | ||||
| Additional Information | Have not tried with green glass or crystal glass yet. Additional testing welcome. | ||||
| Tags | Elves, Needs Confirmation, trade, trading | ||||
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But it *is* either tree or animal based, isn't it? |
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No, glass is classed as a gem. This new behavior conflicts with the 40d behavior and therefore I've classed it as a bug. |
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This is the same as the old version. Making clear glass needs pearlash, made from ash, made from wood. So elves don't like it. |
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Zeg is correct, elves get upset about anything using wood or that used wood in its construction, in this case the pearlash used to make clear glass. They should take green glass items without complaint, I can confirm they did in the previous release. check to see if that is still the case here, and if so I'd suggest marking the thread with the close this tag. |
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My Elves accept green glass trade goods, as expected. They also accept raw clear glass(I made) raw crystal glass(bought) and raw green glass. (Which are classified as gem, and the elves seem to care for that classification) They do not accept clear glass goblets (I made). Unfortunately I fail to make crystal glass despite having pearlash and rough rock crystals. Both clear glass and crystal glass use pearlash in their making. I guess it's ultimately up to Toady to know if anything about that is buggy and I suspect it is way down on his list of things to worry about.. |
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Yeah, that's why I assigned it low/minor. Also on the subject of clear glass requiring wood in the creation, should that mean elves refuse pig iron or steel for similar reasons? |
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Pig Iron and Steel can be made with coke instead of charcoal, and therefore do not *require* a tree to be burned in the process. Unfortunately (for the elves), there is no way to gain pearlash that doesn't involve the death of a tree. |
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Back in the older version, elves objected to clear glass goods, including normal goods encrusted with clear glass, but not *raw* clear glass itself. This is probably the same bug. |
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Looking into a disassembly (specifically, the function that determines whether or not an item is considered "wood derived"), it only does the material/decoration checks for certain types of items, while other item types are unconditionally accepted, and it happens that both rough gems and small cut gems fall into the latter category. |
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Thanks Quietust! |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2010-04-10 02:28 | Jimmy | New Issue | |
| 2010-04-10 02:30 | Jimmy | Tag Attached: Elves | |
| 2010-04-10 02:30 | Jimmy | Tag Attached: trade | |
| 2010-04-10 02:30 | Jimmy | Tag Attached: trading | |
| 2010-04-10 02:52 | Hundred | Note Added: 0002542 | |
| 2010-04-10 03:04 | Jimmy | Note Added: 0002544 | |
| 2010-04-10 04:04 | Zeg | Note Added: 0002549 | |
| 2010-04-10 04:07 | Zeg | Note Edited: 0002549 | |
| 2010-04-10 04:19 | king doom | Note Added: 0002551 | |
| 2010-04-10 07:45 | snooptodd | Tag Attached: needs onfirmation | |
| 2010-04-10 07:45 | snooptodd | Tag Detached: needs onfirmation | |
| 2010-04-10 07:45 | snooptodd | Tag Attached: Needs Confirmation | |
| 2010-04-10 11:42 | kaefermelder | Note Added: 0002619 | |
| 2010-04-10 11:57 |
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Summary | Elves treat glass as wood => Elven merchants accept raw crystal glass but reject clear glass items |
| 2010-04-10 12:50 | kaefermelder | Note Edited: 0002619 | |
| 2010-04-10 18:28 | Jimmy | Note Added: 0002685 | |
| 2010-04-11 23:04 | GRead | Note Added: 0002984 | |
| 2010-04-29 19:58 | Quietust | Note Added: 0005728 | |
| 2010-05-15 14:21 | Logical2u | Relationship added | has duplicate 0001882 |
| 2012-05-13 18:09 | Quietust | Note Added: 0022467 | |
| 2012-05-14 08:39 |
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Summary | Elven merchants accept raw crystal glass but reject clear glass items => Elven merchants will accept some item types (e.g. rough/cut gems) without checking material (e.g. clear/crystal glass) |
| 2012-05-14 08:39 |
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Note Added: 0022475 |
