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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0001227 | Dwarf Fortress | Adventure Mode -- Sites | public | 2010-04-16 03:45 | 2012-03-04 08:03 |
| Reporter | Yaant | Assigned To | |||
| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | have not tried |
| Status | resolved | Resolution | suspended | ||
| Platform | Windows | OS | Windows 2000 | OS Version | 5.00.2195 SP4 |
| Product Version | 0.31.03 | ||||
| Summary | 0001227: Some world gen mountains halls are inaccessible, possibly caused by erosion | ||||
| Description | Some mountain halls cannot be entered in adventure mode, because the top level (where all down stairs are located) is located above the ground level, so from adventurer's point of view it looks like a rectangular wall without any means to get to the top. | ||||
| Steps To Reproduce | 1.Generate world with following parameters: LARGE REGION Seed: 3894293870 History Seed: 2262357010 Name Seed: 3735191706 Creature Seed: 2116295528 2. Visit some generated mountain halls as an adventurer. | ||||
| Additional Information | Seems to be happening if there's a lot of level difference in the ground where the mountain hall is located, though not every time | ||||
| Tags | adventure mode, Dwarf, worldgen | ||||
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It would be helpful if you could name a particular site in that world that is known to demonstrate this problem. Otherwise, Toady will have to waste time guessing. |
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Hm, I've tried to recreate that world on my home WinXP machine to check site names, but got quite different world using same seeds (originally it was created on work Win2000 machine). Though it could be some mistake on my part, would have to recheck seeds when I'll get to work on Monday. Meanwhile I'll try to reproduce the problem on some smaller worlds, if I'll be successful, then would post seeds and site names here. |
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Oops, it turned out that I've tweaked some default worldgen options and forgot about it, so it explains getting different worlds. :) Here's the full world_gen_param.txt then: Created in DF v0.31.03. [WORLD_GEN] [TITLE:LARGE REGION] [SEED:3894293870] [HISTORY_SEED:2262357010] [NAME_SEED:3735191706] [CREATURE_SEED:2116295528] [DIM:257:257] [EMBARK_POINTS:1274] [END_YEAR:1050] [BEAST_END_YEAR:300:80] [REVEAL_ALL_HISTORY:1] [CULL_HISTORICAL_FIGURES:1] [ELEVATION:1:400:800:800] [RAINFALL:0:100:400:400] [TEMPERATURE:25:75:400:400] [DRAINAGE:0:100:400:400] [VOLCANISM:0:100:400:400] [SAVAGERY:0:100:400:400] [ELEVATION_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1] [RAIN_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1] [DRAINAGE_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1] [TEMPERATURE_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1] [SAVAGERY_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1] [VOLCANISM_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1] [TITAN_NUMBER:33] [TITAN_ATTACK_TRIGGER:80:0:100000] [DEMON_NUMBER:60] [GOOD_SQ_COUNTS:100:1000:2000] [EVIL_SQ_COUNTS:100:1000:2000] [PEAK_NUMBER_MIN:50] [PARTIAL_OCEAN_EDGE_MIN:0] [COMPLETE_OCEAN_EDGE_MIN:0] [VOLCANO_MIN:15] [REGION_COUNTS:SWAMP:1032:7:3] [REGION_COUNTS:DESERT:1032:5:3] [REGION_COUNTS:FOREST:4128:13:12] [REGION_COUNTS:MOUNTAINS:8256:9:2] [REGION_COUNTS:OCEAN:8256:7:0] [REGION_COUNTS:GLACIER:0:0:0] [REGION_COUNTS:TUNDRA:0:0:0] [REGION_COUNTS:GRASSLAND:8256:13:7] [REGION_COUNTS:HILLS:8256:13:8] [EROSION_CYCLE_COUNT:250] [RIVER_MINS:400:400] [PERIODICALLY_ERODE_EXTREMES:1] [OROGRAPHIC_PRECIPITATION:1] [SUBREGION_MAX:2750] [CAVERN_LAYER_COUNT:3] [CAVERN_LAYER_OPENNESS_MIN:0] [CAVERN_LAYER_OPENNESS_MAX:100] [CAVERN_LAYER_PASSAGE_DENSITY_MIN:0] [CAVERN_LAYER_PASSAGE_DENSITY_MAX:100] [CAVERN_LAYER_WATER_MIN:0] [CAVERN_LAYER_WATER_MAX:100] [HAVE_BOTTOM_LAYER_1:1] [HAVE_BOTTOM_LAYER_2:1] [LEVELS_ABOVE_GROUND:15] [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_1:5] [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_2:1] [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_3:1] [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_4:1] [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_5:2] [LEVELS_AT_BOTTOM:1] [CAVE_MIN_SIZE:5] [CAVE_MIN_SIZE:5] [CAVE_MAX_SIZE:25] [MOUNTAIN_CAVE_MIN:100] [NON_MOUNTAIN_CAVE_MIN:200] [ALL_CAVES_VISIBLE:0] [SHOW_EMBARK_TUNNEL:2] [TOTAL_CIV_NUMBER:50] [TOTAL_CIV_POPULATION:30000] [PLAYABLE_CIVILIZATION_REQUIRED:1] [ELEVATION_RANGES:8256:16512:8256] [RAIN_RANGES:8256:16512:8256] [DRAINAGE_RANGES:8256:16512:8256] [SAVAGERY_RANGES:8256:16512:8256] [VOLCANISM_RANGES:8256:16512:8256] Problematic site is Atisalil, "Stakeglee", a mountain fortress Anyway, I got an idea what can be possibly causing the site inaccessibility: erosion. During my experiments with small worlds I've noticed that quite often mountain hall could be accessed only at one single land square (usually at corner), all squares around the mountain halls being somewhat lower. So if enough years passes after construction of mountain halls, erosion could lower the ground there, rendering the site inaccessible. It's just a guess, of course, but at least it would explain, why I wasn't able to reproduce the problem on small worlds -- by default generation stops too early for erosion to do it's job. So it could be important to wait all 1050 years of worldgen to reproduce the problem. |
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Cool, thanks for the thorough followup! |
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Mountain halls don't exist at all anymore, and will probably be drastically different when they come back, so I'm marking this report as suspended. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2010-04-16 03:45 | Yaant | New Issue | |
| 2010-04-16 08:51 |
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Note Added: 0003851 | |
| 2010-04-16 08:51 |
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Note Edited: 0003851 | |
| 2010-04-16 08:51 |
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Note Edited: 0003851 | |
| 2010-04-16 08:52 |
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Relationship added | related to 0000688 |
| 2010-04-16 08:57 | Kennel | Tag Attached: adventure mode | |
| 2010-04-16 08:57 | Kennel | Tag Attached: Dwarf | |
| 2010-04-16 08:57 | Kennel | Tag Attached: worldgen | |
| 2010-04-17 15:44 | Yaant | Note Added: 0004002 | |
| 2010-04-19 08:13 | Yaant | Note Added: 0004231 | |
| 2010-04-19 09:47 |
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Note Added: 0004241 | |
| 2010-04-21 12:14 |
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Relationship added | related to 0000032 |
| 2010-04-21 12:14 |
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Relationship deleted | related to 0000688 |
| 2010-04-26 17:42 |
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Summary | Some world gen mountains halls are inaccessible => Some world gen mountains halls are inaccessible, possibly caused by erosion |
| 2010-12-10 13:16 |
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Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.31.19? | |
| 2011-03-01 14:05 |
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Note Added: 0015640 | |
| 2011-03-01 14:05 |
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Status | new => resolved |
| 2011-03-01 14:05 |
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Resolution | open => suspended |
| 2011-03-01 14:05 |
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Assigned To | => user6 |
| 2012-03-04 08:03 |
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Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.31.19? |
