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0001449Dwarf FortressWorld Generation -- Generalpublic2024-08-26 09:18
ReporterKhym Chanur Assigned Touser11 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
Status acknowledgedResolutionopen 
Platformx86 (AMD Athlon 7550 Dual-Core)OSWineOS Version1.1.32
Product Version0.31.03 
Summary0001449: Dwarven milk/cheese is not available on embark or for trade
DescriptionYou can't bring along dwarven milk or cheese when embarking, dwarven caravans don't bring them, and you can't request them from the dwarven liaison. This is because the dwarven parent civilization will only export things which can be found at UNDERGROUND_DEPTH 1, and purring maggots are found starting at depth 2, so this might be intentional rather than a bug, but then again it might be an unintended side effect.
Steps To Reproduce1) Gen a world and embark with the standard set of raw files. Dwarven cheese won't be available on embark.

2) Gen a world and embark with the UNDERGROUND_DEPTH tag for purring maggots changed to [UNDERGROUND_DEPTH:1:3]. Dwarven cheese will now be available on embark.
TagsIntentional/Expected?

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related to 0001127 new Worldgen without caverns does not allow embark with seeds/alcohol 

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user11

2014-03-25 11:29

  ~0024624

Lots of changes with the dwarven sites/civs, so marking this for review in the next version.

user11

2014-07-10 13:18

  ~0025582

This is still the case in 40.01.

FantasticDorf

2019-01-09 10:48

reporter   ~0039105

Still the case for 44.12, however setting purring maggots to be always availible with [ANIMAL] entity tokens will allow embarking & ordering dwarven cheese from the caravan by cheating the animal's pernament position into the civilisation.

It also reveals that Purring Maggots in the trade screen (vermin can be imported in cages when domesticated by [ANIMAL] tag functions or passive [USE_ANY_PET_RACE] like elves do) ONLY have a default male asexual caste.

Therefore to explain with living populations, purring maggots cannot reproduce their small numbers asexually so become extinct and are not innumerable like asexual clams or oysters with [FREQUENCY:100] though they do not die of old age due to a lack of a max age tag.

FantasticDorf

2019-01-09 10:53

reporter   ~0039106

Last edited: 2019-01-09 11:08

The creature itself has been neglected by code for a while, it might seek out a new purpose as a life stage of another creature like a bugbat or equivilent in order to remain relevant hopefully for the future.

Since without proposed frequency fix (which may fix it appearing in fortress caverns but not the resources it brings without vermin domestication), all purring maggots have to be captured by trappers from the wild caverns and are easily consumed upon use, or will die imminently to cave spider webs before they are found.

Same can be said why you cannot purchase mog juice from merchants edit- *since it is not automatically assumed by the [USE_CAVERN_CREATURES] entity tag or similar function despite being native.

Quietust

2024-08-26 09:18

reporter   ~0042323

Remark: dwarves randomly eating vermin was a bug present only in 40d and earlier (they only checked if the item was edible when looking at rations and previously claimed meals, and 0.31 fixed that by adding the same check to stockpiled food), and purring maggots wouldn't get caught in cave spider webs because they have "[VERMIN_NOROAM]".

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Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2010-04-22 23:54 Khym Chanur New Issue
2010-04-23 00:10 user6 Summary Drawven milk/cheese is not available on embark or for trade => Dwarven milk/cheese is not available on embark or for trade
2010-04-23 00:10 user6 Relationship added related to 0001127
2010-04-23 00:11 user6 Category Dwarf Mode -- Embark/Setup => World Generation -- General
2014-03-25 11:28 user11 Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.34.12?
2014-03-25 11:29 user11 Note Added: 0024624
2014-07-07 22:23 user6 Tag Renamed Fixed in 0.34.12? => Fixed in 0.40.01?
2014-07-10 13:17 user11 Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.40.01?
2014-07-10 13:18 user11 Note Added: 0025582
2014-07-10 13:18 user11 Assigned To => user11
2014-07-10 13:18 user11 Status new => acknowledged
2014-07-10 13:18 user11 Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2019-01-09 10:48 FantasticDorf Note Added: 0039105
2019-01-09 10:53 FantasticDorf Note Added: 0039106
2019-01-09 11:08 FantasticDorf Note Edited: 0039106
2024-08-26 09:18 Quietust Note Added: 0042323