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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0002120 | Dwarf Fortress | Dwarf Mode -- Jobs, Item Improvements/Decorations | public | 2010-06-01 04:37 | 2012-02-21 06:44 |
| Reporter | Jiri Petru | Assigned To | |||
| Priority | normal | Severity | tweak | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | resolved | Resolution | no change required | ||
| Product Version | 0.31.04 | ||||
| Summary | 0002120: Engraving probabilities are off - the new images are far too common | ||||
| Description | My engravers seem to be obsessed with the same events all over. I'd say at least 50 percent of my engravings, maybe even more, are: - A story of a titan and the many people he's killed - Depictions of militia commanders getting appointed/suspended I've had dozens of bloody deaths, lost and reclaimed the fortress, crushed goblins beneath bridges, killed about 10 forgotten beasts, released the demons, etc. but nobody bothers to engrave these events. I've waited several game years and watched different engravers to make sure this is not an issue with personal preferences. Thinking about it now, it seems that some of the images that are new in DF2010 (titans, militia commanders) have too high probabilities, basically overshadowing any other image (I've had a couple of regular dwarf X strikes goblin Y, but way too little). I also haven't seen any engraving about forgotten beasts or released HFS. | ||||
| Additional Information | (Feel free to change the category to something else. I hadn't seen engravings and item decorations seemed like the next closest thing.) | ||||
| Tags | No tags attached. | ||||
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My most recent 0.31 fort's walls were roughly 10% people killing cougars, 20% people killing/being killed by eagles, 60% the founding of the fortress, immigration, or being elected, 9% symbols, and 1% events that happened during the life of the fortress. This was an issue in every one of my 40d fortresses as well. I remember waiting in 40d through several sieges and megabeast attacks before beginning to engrave, so as to make sure that there would be plenty of fortress history on the walls. Several hundred engravings later I had one image of a dog being killed by goblins, two of goblins being killed, and nothing else related to combat/sieges/battles that took place during the forts lifetime. It's really disappointing when you watch a titan wrestle and punch your dragon to death, then see your engravers toddle off and engrave another 30 images of a human shooting an eagle. Maybe this is more along the lines of a feature request, but there should be some sort of criteria for "epic-ness" that determines frequency of engravings. |
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I've had a fortress where 20% of the fortresses were of a human fleeing to the hills. I'm curious about the rest of the story, but apparently my dwarves refuse to engrave it. |
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I had a fort where about half of the figurines/statues/engravings created by stonecrafters were about the travels of two humans. Apparently those were the only historical events on the whole region, as it was far out in the wilderness. The rest were the usual kings/queens/founding/appointments for the most part. Some of the new features of the game seem to be so new they do not show up as historical at all, or have zero probability. In my current fort I have a mason whose description says 'she has a fertile imagination' but she only makes statues about rats. She detests rats, of course. |
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In at least two of my forts the engravers seemed to be obsessed with two or three events from the life of one particular human and engraved at least as many copies of those events than of anything else combined. |
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This sounds kind of consistent with 40D, I think...... Although in 40D, engravers would still make alot of the same stuff sometimes. |
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Yep, it seems to me that dwarves, with current probabilities, always (in my huge worldgens) get a selection of 5 or so humans to obsess about, using them as subjects of carvings and decorations with a frequency not *totally* ridiculously overboard, but definitely overboard and somewhat off-putting. About 3 or so of them always seem to be about the taming of the fuzzy wampuses or whatever by the human, another one or two about the journey this or that. Bug or not, I know I'd certainly like it if either (1) the number of foreign events are opened up for a lot more variety, or (2) those 5 or so chosen foreign events become *much* less frequent. As it stands, I will never be able to forget the names Pena Wrungsloppy and Asa Blownamuse, ever. :p |
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In my case it's Yarare Drilledshoes, but yeah :) |
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Reminder sent to: Jiri Petru Is this bug still present in 0.34.02? |
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Having done a non-rigorous survey of 0.34.02 engravings, it seems to me that the problem of just a few historical events being repeated over and over is gone. Now there's lots of distinct engravings of the form "Creature X killed creature Y during battle Z", with a smaller portion describing individual wounds, like someone's nose or ear being ripped off. The historical engravings are now nothing *but* descriptions of killings and fights, but that's another matter. |
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Thanks, Khym Chanur. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2010-06-01 04:37 | Jiri Petru | New Issue | |
| 2010-06-12 02:16 | monkeyfetus | Note Added: 0008184 | |
| 2010-06-12 08:47 | DarthCloakedDwarf | Note Added: 0008197 | |
| 2010-06-12 15:55 | Kumquat | Note Added: 0008222 | |
| 2010-06-14 09:11 | Taladar | Note Added: 0008412 | |
| 2010-06-14 09:37 | smjjames | Note Added: 0008415 | |
| 2010-06-14 09:38 | smjjames | Note Edited: 0008415 | |
| 2010-07-12 02:36 | ChickenLips | Note Added: 0010012 | |
| 2010-07-12 17:07 | Jiri Petru | Note Added: 0010084 | |
| 2012-02-20 17:46 |
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Note Added: 0020306 | |
| 2012-02-20 17:46 |
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Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE | |
| 2012-02-20 21:03 | Khym Chanur | Note Added: 0020324 | |
| 2012-02-21 06:44 |
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Note Added: 0020361 | |
| 2012-02-21 06:44 |
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Status | new => resolved |
| 2012-02-21 06:44 |
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Resolution | open => no change required |
| 2012-02-21 06:44 |
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Assigned To | => user6 |
| 2012-02-21 06:44 |
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Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE |
