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0003940Dwarf FortressTypos/Grammarpublic2014-07-28 16:37
ReporterRoot Infinity Assigned To 
PrioritylowSeveritytextReproducibilityhave not tried
Status newResolutionopen 
PlatformHP G60-120CA (Laptop)OSWindowsOS VersionHome Premium x64
Product Version0.31.18 
Summary0003940: Possessive adjectives missing from Thoughts/Prefs
DescriptionThe status page says "Admired own fine bed lately", instead of "Admired his/her own fine bed lately"
Steps To ReproduceBuild a bedroom
Wait until a dwarf says "Admired own fine bed lately"
Additional Informationhttp://i52.tinypic.com/205p6s6.png for screencapture
TagsIntentional/Expected?

Relationships

has duplicate 0005015 resolveduser1294 Dwarves admire their "own fine cabinet" with pronoun omitted 
has duplicate 0005482 resolveduser6 Incorrect spouse grammar 

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Quietust

2011-02-09 08:25

reporter   ~0015070

I'm pretty sure it's always been this way; from what I can tell, it just selects between the words "a" and "own" in the thought message based on whether or not the furniture is owned by the dwarf (and conditionally inserts "tastefully arranged" if it was in a sculpture garden).

user11

2011-02-09 09:54

  ~0015072

I'm pretty sure this is intentional - these are the dwarf's own thoughts so I don't see why he'd use pronouns.

Unless anyone has any compelling arguments that this should be questioned as intentional, then I'll resolve it.

user6

2011-02-11 09:05

  ~0015085

I'm pretty sure this is intentional - these are the dwarf's own thoughts so I don't see why he'd use pronouns.

It uses pronouns (he/she), just not possessive adjectives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possessive_adjective). But yeah, it's consistent enough that it's probably intentional.

flamoot

2012-01-10 14:38

reporter   ~0019339

This is definitely unintentional. "He admired own fine cabinet lately" is not a sentence, it overloads the word "own" a bunch of weird ways if you try to make it one. This is an interesting argument but it's obviously wrong

Granite26

2012-02-28 06:34

reporter   ~0020838

It's grammatically incorrect, but that doesn't make it unintentional. Being grammatically correct on something as fluid as a gender based caste is a non-trivial exercise.

I suppose the applicable tags are [male], [female], or a lack of either, which should correspond to He/She/It, His/Hers/Its, and Him/Her/It?

user6

2012-02-28 07:29

  ~0020841

It's grammatically incorrect, but that doesn't make it unintentional. Being grammatically correct on something as fluid as a gender based caste is a non-trivial exercise.

I suppose the applicable tags are [male], [female], or a lack of either, which should correspond to He/She/It, His/Hers/Its, and Him/Her/It?


This is a moot point because the Thoughts/Prefs screen already uses his/her/its in plenty of other places (see the screenshot up top, "His very long beard" etc).

NW_Kohaku

2012-02-28 08:03

reporter   ~0020846

There isn't reason to assume it's intentional until Word of Toad. It's entirely possible that Toady simply accidentally overlooked adding in a [PRO_POS] tag, (which handles male and female pronouns already, as evidenced by the speech files,) or made a typo that made the game simply overlook the token entirely.

Talvieno

2014-07-28 16:37

manager   ~0027828

Still occurring in 40.05.

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Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2011-02-09 05:36 Root Infinity New Issue
2011-02-09 08:25 Quietust Note Added: 0015070
2011-02-09 09:54 user11 Note Added: 0015072
2011-02-11 09:05 user6 Note Added: 0015085
2011-02-11 09:05 user6 Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2012-01-10 14:25 user1294 Relationship added has duplicate 0005015
2012-01-10 14:38 flamoot Note Added: 0019339
2012-02-27 17:05 user6 Summary Dwarf view missed the word "his" => Weird possessive pronouns in Thoughts/Prefs
2012-02-27 17:06 user6 Relationship added has duplicate 0005482
2012-02-27 17:06 user6 Summary Weird possessive pronouns in Thoughts/Prefs => Possessive adjectives missing from Thoughts/Prefs
2012-02-28 06:34 Granite26 Note Added: 0020838
2012-02-28 07:29 user6 Note Added: 0020841
2012-02-28 08:03 NW_Kohaku Note Added: 0020846
2014-07-28 16:37 Talvieno Note Added: 0027828