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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0004453 | Dwarf Fortress | Dwarf Mode -- Environment | public | 2011-04-05 12:13 | 2023-11-19 15:33 |
| Reporter | NW_Kohaku | Assigned To | |||
| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | new | Resolution | open | ||
| Platform | PC | OS | Windows Vista | ||
| Product Version | 0.31.25 | ||||
| Summary | 0004453: Badgers constantly enraged because dwarves and livestock don't avoid them | ||||
| Description | Badgers have a PRONE_TO_RAGE tag that makes them far too prone to rage for the lowest possible setting of the token. Badgers are almost constantly flying into rages, and then chasing dwarves across the map, or killing water buffalo or yaks that are far larger and stronger than them in single combat. (The yaks don't even fight back, mysteriously.) At first, I thought they were just attacking anyone on sight, but after spending some more time analysing the situation, it turns out that the badgers are actually running away from the dwarves and livestock, as per their BENIGN tag. It was just that repeated attempts to run away triggered flying into a rage. Now, this is fine if dwarves were actually provoking badgers, but it brings to light some lingering pathing problems - dwarves will ignore the badgers entirely unless they are in a rage, which leads to them triggering the rage for getting too close to the animals too many times, and then the dwarves start running away from the badgers. When badgers drop out of rage, dwarves walk right past the badgers again to go back to what they were doing before, and trigger the rage all over again. Likewise, badgers never learn to just avoid walking into the space occupied by yaks and water buffalo. They path into the area occupied by a water buffalo, get frightened by the water buffalo, run away, path back to the water buffalo, get frightened, run away, path back to the water buffalo, get enraged, and attack the water buffalo. These sorts of AI quirks were ignorable when Hoary Marmots kept running away, but if the badgers will attack after being "frightened" so many times, it just creates problems with suicidal divebombing wildlife. | ||||
| Steps To Reproduce | I put a save with badgers on the map, waterbuffalos in pasture, and dwarves sent out to collect plants on DFFD for convenience, although it's not hard to reproduce otherwise. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4133 | ||||
| Additional Information | If dwarves are cornered, they will often kick a badger, and shatter a rib, forcing the badger to faint. The dwarves will then go back to ignoring the badger as it is no longer a threat, and Benign, until it wakes up, and immediately flies back into a rage, and attacks again. (Also, you can drag an unconscious badger into a cage, if the badger was being transported from cage to cage - it's a simple process. Capture badger in cage, move badger to cage stockpile, order badger moved to cage near the kennels, release badger, get dwarf "cornered" so he kicks the badger unconscious, then drag unconscious badger to destination.) | ||||
| Tags | animals, badger, beast, berserk, creature, Intentional/Expected?, job cancellation, PRONE_TO_RAGE, Save Included | ||||
| related to | 0005032 | new | Dwarves when go to active training consider themselves active and will engage wildlife on the way |
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I've noticed this as well. My most recent embark had tons of badgers. That and Mooseman/woman. Do all animals try to path into your fortress? Seems like they would just leave you alone instead of tripping all your cage traps. And what do you do with them after you catch them? You can't train them. I've never had good luck moving them from cage to cage, or even dropping them in a pit. Is there a secret to that? |
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Reminder sent to: NW_Kohaku Is there evidence that PRONE_TO_RAGE takes proximity of other creatures into account? |
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I'm not sure what you mean, exactly. Are you asking whether badgers have to be within a certain radius before they fly into a rage, or are you asking if they become more likely to be enraged the closer you are? Given how I've been playing Adventurer Mode, and had badgers I couldn't even see suddenly pop up a message about flying into a rage, simply being anywhere near them, even if they can't see you directly, is enough. (About two dozen tiles, omnidirectionally.) As far as I can tell, they just have a given % chance to fly into a rage any time they are within some sort of activation radius, and will run away from a bigger creature until that point. The real problem is the lack of memory and massive difference in behaviors - civilian dwarves will just walk right by a badger that is not enraged, while the badger runs and hides. Then suddenly, the badger snaps, and the dwarf is diving into a river to run away while the badger is leaping for their throats. Then, just as suddenly, the badger gives up, and, once not enraged, runs away, while the dwarf just goes back to whatever. This, once again, triggers the rage of the badger. Simply having some sort of "stay away from badgers, stupid" AI for dwarves (make badgers always "threatening") would solve a decent portion of this, as well as making badgers not "territorial" when they walk into the pasture of a cow that was just sitting there chewing its cud long before the badger strolled across the map. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2011-04-05 12:13 | NW_Kohaku | New Issue | |
| 2011-04-05 12:23 | NW_Kohaku | Tag Attached: animals | |
| 2011-04-05 12:23 | NW_Kohaku | Tag Attached: annoying | |
| 2011-04-05 12:23 | NW_Kohaku | Tag Attached: beast | |
| 2011-04-05 12:23 | NW_Kohaku | Tag Attached: berserk | |
| 2011-04-05 12:23 | NW_Kohaku | Tag Attached: creature | |
| 2011-04-05 12:23 | NW_Kohaku | Tag Attached: badger | |
| 2011-04-05 12:24 | NW_Kohaku | Tag Attached: job cancellation | |
| 2011-04-05 12:25 | NW_Kohaku | Tag Attached: Save Included | |
| 2011-04-05 12:27 | NW_Kohaku | Tag Attached: PRONE_TO_RAGE | |
| 2011-04-05 13:43 | kwieland | Note Added: 0017100 | |
| 2012-01-27 07:18 |
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Relationship added | related to 0005032 |
| 2012-03-05 08:47 |
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Note Added: 0021121 | |
| 2012-03-05 08:47 |
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Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE | |
| 2012-03-09 15:35 | NW_Kohaku | Note Added: 0021321 | |
| 2012-03-10 07:45 |
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Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE | |
| 2012-03-10 07:45 |
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Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected? | |
| 2012-03-10 13:55 | NW_Kohaku | Note Edited: 0021321 | |
| 2023-11-19 15:33 | lethosor | Tag Detached: annoying |
