0006184: Dwarven populations are infinitely generated in no-dwarf worlds

ID	Project	Category	View Status	Date Submitted	Last Update

0006184	Dwarf Fortress	Civilizations/Entities -- Populations	public	2012-08-31 16:20	2014-07-30 07:28

Reporter	Farmerbob	Assigned To	~~user6~~
Priority	normal	Severity	major	Reproducibility	always
Status	resolved	Resolution	no change required
Platform	Intel / Nvidia	OS	Windows	OS Version	7
Product Version	0.34.11

Summary	0006184: Dwarven populations are infinitely generated in no-dwarf worlds
Description	I created a pocket region where dwarves died out in year 83. I created a fortress with the remnnant pockets of dwarves that managed to survive 1000 years without a civilization, and now I get immigrants and trade caravans like as if there were actually a full fledged dwarf civilization in the world, not just a few stragglers here and there that hear about the fort and stop coming after a year.
Steps To Reproduce	Start a fortress on the saved region here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6858 Play a while, and notice that every single dwarf poofs magically into legends as needed. This will go on for at least 2 or three years. This is the base save which should be a NoDwarf save, as the last recorded dwarf died in 83
Tags	Intentional/Expected?

Kumquat 2012-09-01 04:39 reporter ~0023513	Not a bug. See 0000545.

Farmerbob 2012-09-01 17:42 reporter ~0023518	How is this not a bug? The game is creating what doesn't exist in the legends. It's creating trading caravans from civilizations that don't exist, and continuously creating dwarves out of thin air. In the old game, you would get a couple immigrant waves, but that was it, after that point, no more dwarves created out of thin air. Most of us assumed this was simply the last few dwarves in the entire world, coming from their hermit caves, or leaving human or elven communities where they might have lived. Now there's an infinite supply of dwarves from nowhere - it makes playing the "last dwarves" scenarios impossible, and a lot of us like those scenarios. While I can certainly create appropriate killing traps to kill every dwarf and caravan that arrives, that's really not what I want to do with my no-dwarves games.

Farmerbob 2012-09-01 17:45 reporter ~0023519	Oh I see what happened here. You read my bug report backwards. That other bug report was someone complaining about NOT getting dwarven caravans. My report is that I am when I'm not supposed to be.

Kumquat 2012-09-02 05:40 reporter ~0023522	Indeed. 0000545 was fixed by creating immigrants and caravans out of thin air when dwarf civilizations were gone. Since that was a deliberate change made into the game I would say that it is working as intended.

Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2012-08-31 16:20	Farmerbob	New Issue
2012-09-01 04:39	Kumquat	Note Added: 0023513
2012-09-01 17:42	Farmerbob	Note Added: 0023518
2012-09-01 17:45	Farmerbob	Note Added: 0023519
2012-09-02 05:40	Kumquat	Note Added: 0023522
2012-09-11 20:56	~~user6~~	Relationship added	related to 0000545
2012-09-11 20:56	~~user6~~	Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2014-07-30 07:28	~~user6~~	Status	new => resolved
2014-07-30 07:28	~~user6~~	Resolution	open => no change required
2014-07-30 07:28	~~user6~~	Assigned To	=> user6