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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0000089 | Dwarf Fortress | Combat -- General | public | 2010-04-01 21:11 | 2014-11-25 22:59 |
| Reporter | Quietust | Assigned To | Toady One | ||
| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | resolved | Resolution | fixed | ||
| Product Version | 0.31.01 | ||||
| Fixed in Version | 0.40.01 | ||||
| Summary | 0000089: Wrestler/Fighter levels up way too quickly, especially against much bigger/stronger creatures | ||||
| Description | With a brand new "Play Now" human in Adventurer mode, approximately 10 turns in combat with a black bear (3 grabs, 2 failed attempts to break free of bites) has given me 1390 points of Wrestling and Fighting skill. An earlier bout of wrestling with a Bronze Colossus managed to bring my wrestling/fighting skills to around Legendary+60. | ||||
| Tags | combat, skills | ||||
| related to | 0000428 | acknowledged | Toady One | Dwarves refuse to train, and other training weirdness |
| has duplicate | 0002020 | resolved | Forgotten beast causes instant legendary fighter/wrestler | |
| has duplicate | 0002501 | resolved | Wrestling/Fighter levels extremely fast | |
| has duplicate | 0002041 | resolved | Hunters level incredibly fast, mainly because animals die too slow | |
| has duplicate | 0002822 | resolved | with one move from dabbling to legendary | |
| has duplicate | 0003457 | resolved | Logical2u | Wrestler becomes legendary after stabbing ettin with spear. |
| has duplicate | 0003842 | resolved | Artifact Weapons do not contribute to weaponskill improvements | |
| has duplicate | 0004187 | resolved | hunters level up quickly | |
| related to | 0007173 | assigned | A whole squad punching a rhino is giving ludicrous observer skill but no significant striker skill | |
| related to | 0007839 | assigned | Treading water raises Swimming to Legendary without commensurate attribute gain |
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The first thing I do in Dwarf Fortress mode is sending a dwarf after a racoon who was interrupting things. The dwarf gets locked into infinite wrestling combat and is soon legendary fighter and wrestler. So there are two issues. One about the skill improving unrealistically. The other about wrestling needing some balance since it's not possible that a dwarf can't kill a racoon who've been knocked unconscious the whole time and get locked into an almost infinite combat loop. |
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Abalieno, I believe the killing issue is due to the problem that the only thing that kills creatures is destroying the brain. It's not restricted to wrestling. |
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What did the combat logs show? |
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I can confirm this and its easy to reproduce, Just find a BC and try to wrestle itand then look at your stats. |
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Reminder sent to: Toady One Hey Toady -- this may be of interest, since you were working on skill gains recently. |
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In combat, you gain the attack skill roll of your opponent to your opposing skill. I think the problem here is that the skill rolls for wrestling incorporate size differences, and that this happens before it gives skill to the attacker/defender. That's my guess anyway. It should be easy enough to fix. |
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There is much worse bug which instantly gives you legendary fighting / wrestling in one move. It happens when you fight Giants, Cyclopes, Forgotten beasts or other big stuff and the enemy grabs you by some of your equipment and you try to release the grip. The example is here: 0002822. |
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I just noticed this happening with a civilian woodcutter attacked by a Bronze Colossus. |
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Just had this bug in my fortress (v0.31.14). A forgotten beast did some wrestling moves to two dwarves and they instantly became legendary fighters and legendary wrestlers. I used Dwarf Therapist to check their before & after statuses: Dwarf A: Fighter: level 2, 1751 xp -> level 15+5, 32962 xp Wrestler: level 0, 45 xp -> level 15+5, 31168 xp Dwarf B: Fighter: level 8, 7732 xp -> level 15+5, 32508 xp Wrestler: level 2, 1142 xp -> level 15+5, 29727 xp |
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31.16, happened against a demon. From dabbling, no less, i think. Second time I've seen this in two different forts. |
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This happens alot to cavern dwellers - an FB comes along and attacks them, and any who survive the initial assault become legendary wrestlers. |
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I'm unsure if this is fixed or not. I wrestled a giant as a dwarf in arena, and after about 4 or 5 moves, including breaking his grips, I was only Novice. I wasn't doing this scientifically, but it appeared my Wrestling skill was going up anywhere from 15 to 100 depending on the action I can't tell if that's too much or not. I certainly wasn't legendary after a few moves logs: You grab Giant 1 by the upper body with your right upper arm! Giant 1 misses You! Giant 1 breaks the grip of Your right upper arm on Giant 1's upper body. Giant 1 misses You! Giant 1 charges at You! Giant 1 collides with You! You are knocked over and tumble backward! Giant 1 misses You! Giant 1 strikes at You but the shot is blocked with the iron shield! You attack Giant 1 but He jumps away! Giant 1 strikes at You but the shot is blocked with the iron shield! You can't stand up -- somebody is in the way. You attack Giant 1 but He jumps away! You grab Giant 1 by the upper body from behind with your right upper arm! The Giant 1 breaks the grip of Your right upper arm from The Giant 1's upper body! You attack Giant 1 but He jumps away! Giant 1 attacks You but You roll away! Giant 1 strikes at You but the shot is blocked with the iron shield! Giant 1 grabs You by the right ear with his right lower arm! You stand up. Giant 1 releases the grip of Giant 1's right lower arm on Your right ear. You miss Giant 1! Giant 1 strikes at You but the shot is blocked! Giant 1 charges at You! Giant 1 collides with You! You are knocked over and tumble backward! Giant 1 grabs You by the left ear with his right hand! Giant 1 releases the grip of Giant 1's right hand on Your left ear. Giant 1 grabs You by the neck with his left lower arm! You miss Giant 1! Giant 1 releases the grip of Giant 1's left lower arm on Your neck. You have nothing left to wear. Giant 1 grabs You by the right lower leg with his right lower arm! You stand up. Giant 1 locks Your right knee with Giant 1's right lower arm! You struggle in vain against the grip of Giant 1's right lower arm on Your right lower leg. Giant 1 punches You in the left foot with his right hand and the injured part collapses! You fall over. You give in to pain. Giant 1 releases the joint lock of Giant 1's right lower arm on Your right lower leg. The Giant 1 releases the grip of The Giant 1's right lower arm from Your right lower leg. Giant 1 punches You in the head with his right hand and the injured part explodes into gore! You have been struck down. |
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I think it is still present in current (0.40.02) version. Wrestled a cow, and every unsuccessful try (You adjust the grip) gave +110xp, I became legendary wrestler and fighter very fast. But even then I could not successfully wrestle the cow, and it ended with me dying in one turn. You adjust the grip of Your right upper arm on The Yak Cow's neck. You adjust the grip of Your right upper arm on The Yak Cow's neck. The Yak Cow misses You! The Yak Cow kicks You in the upper body with her left front hoof and the injured part collapses! You have been struck down. |
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I tested in the arena and while in 0.34 it was easy to reproduce, here I did everything I could think of but didn't manage to reproduce it. Specificially this no longer happens: >> (...) bug which instantly gives you legendary fighting / wrestling in one move. It happens when you fight Giants, Cyclopes, >> Forgotten beasts or other big stuff and the enemy grabs you by some of your equipment and you try to release the grip. So this part seems fixed or at least much more rare in the new combat reaction mechanics. Wresting bigger creatures still gives +110xp but it doesn't seem extreme, and possibly is intentional. But you can no longer become Legendary Wrestler in literally one move like you could in 0.34. |
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It seems that when fighting Bronze Colossus I get +110xp per turn, even if the only thing that happens is me being strangled... |
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110 experience per turn with a Bronze Colossus is probably acceptable - in the past, it was giving well over ten thousand experience per attack. |
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Exactly. But there is still a problem that it gives experience even with no action from the player, like when being strangled. |
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Maybe it is not bug, but feature. Upgrading your submission defence for example. ;) |
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Thanks for testing, Rafal99. Based on those findings, we'll call this fixed. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2010-04-01 21:11 | Quietust | New Issue | |
| 2010-04-02 06:35 | Todestool | Tag Attached: combat | |
| 2010-04-02 06:36 | Todestool | Tag Attached: skills | |
| 2010-04-03 15:08 |
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Category | General => Combat -- General |
| 2010-04-04 04:38 | Abalieno | Note Added: 0000845 | |
| 2010-04-04 04:51 | Jiri Petru | Note Added: 0000846 | |
| 2010-04-04 05:44 | alexleon | Note Added: 0000850 | |
| 2010-05-22 00:06 |
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Relationship added | parent of 0002020 |
| 2010-05-27 09:57 | toybasher | Note Added: 0007387 | |
| 2010-05-27 10:00 |
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Summary | Wrestling levels up way too quickly => Wrestling levels up way too quickly, especially against much bigger/stronger creatures |
| 2010-06-28 12:56 |
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Relationship added | has duplicate 0002501 |
| 2010-07-15 08:38 |
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Relationship added | has duplicate 0002041 |
| 2010-07-25 11:39 |
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Relationship added | has duplicate 0002822 |
| 2010-07-25 11:39 |
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Product Version | => 0.31.01 |
| 2010-07-25 11:42 |
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Note Added: 0010993 | |
| 2010-07-25 11:42 |
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Note View State: 0010993: private | |
| 2010-07-25 11:43 |
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Relationship replaced | has duplicate 0002020 |
| 2010-07-25 11:43 |
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Relationship added | related to 0000428 |
| 2010-07-25 16:18 | Toady One | Note Added: 0011028 | |
| 2010-07-25 16:18 | Toady One | Assigned To | => Toady One |
| 2010-07-25 16:18 | Toady One | Status | new => acknowledged |
| 2010-07-25 16:28 |
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Note View State: 0010993: public | |
| 2010-07-25 17:07 | Rafal99 | Note Added: 0011034 | |
| 2010-07-31 21:21 | InsanityPrelude | Note Added: 0011346 | |
| 2010-08-02 21:48 | InsanityPrelude | Note Edited: 0011346 | |
| 2010-09-30 15:24 | uggi | Note Added: 0013091 | |
| 2010-10-23 08:40 | Logical2u | Relationship added | has duplicate 0003457 |
| 2010-10-24 06:35 | Q.T.Quazar | Note Added: 0013491 | |
| 2010-11-27 15:10 | EddyP | Note Added: 0014256 | |
| 2011-12-21 19:39 |
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Summary | Wrestling levels up way too quickly, especially against much bigger/stronger creatures => Wrestler/Fighter levels up way too quickly, especially against much bigger/stronger creatures |
| 2011-12-21 19:39 |
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Relationship added | has duplicate 0003842 |
| 2014-07-11 18:48 | SirPenguin | Note Added: 0025893 | |
| 2014-07-11 18:48 | SirPenguin | Note Edited: 0025893 | |
| 2014-07-11 19:09 | APV | Note Added: 0025898 | |
| 2014-07-11 19:14 | Rafal99 | Note Added: 0025900 | |
| 2014-07-11 19:15 | Rafal99 | Note Edited: 0025900 | |
| 2014-07-11 19:22 | Rafal99 | Note Edited: 0025900 | |
| 2014-07-11 19:22 | Rafal99 | Note Edited: 0025900 | |
| 2014-07-11 19:22 | Rafal99 | Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.40.01? | |
| 2014-07-11 19:35 | Rafal99 | Note Added: 0025908 | |
| 2014-07-11 19:35 | Rafal99 | Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.40.01? | |
| 2014-07-11 19:36 | Rafal99 | Note Edited: 0025908 | |
| 2014-07-11 20:15 | Quietust | Note Added: 0025916 | |
| 2014-07-11 20:41 | Rafal99 | Note Added: 0025925 | |
| 2014-07-11 20:49 | APV | Note Added: 0025928 | |
| 2014-07-13 11:49 |
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Relationship added | has duplicate 0004187 |
| 2014-07-14 11:31 |
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Relationship added | related to 0007173 |
| 2014-08-04 11:59 |
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Relationship added | related to 0007839 |
| 2014-08-13 13:36 |
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Note Added: 0028982 | |
| 2014-08-13 13:36 |
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Status | acknowledged => resolved |
| 2014-08-13 13:36 |
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Fixed in Version | => 0.40.01 |
| 2014-08-13 13:36 |
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Resolution | open => fixed |
