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0002440Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Embark/Setuppublic2010-06-22 18:582012-07-01 12:28
Reporterchironex Assigned ToToady One  
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityrandom
Status resolvedResolutionfixed 
Platformx86OSVista Home PremiumOS VersionSP2
Product Version0.31.08 
Fixed in Version0.34.07 
Summary0002440: Flux is ignored in the Site Finder
DescriptionIt seems as if the Flux option is occasionally ignored in the Site Finder. From time to time, a suitable site is found with the Flux option turned on without having any of the flux stones (Calcite, Chalk, Dolomite, Limestone, Marble) listed as one of the 8 layer materials in any of the included biomes. Thus, it seems as if either the definition of Flux has changed, or the site finder is just straight-up broken. Another possibility is that the embark area does indeed have a flux stone, but one which is lower than the top 8 layers.

Steps To ReproduceIt seems to occur randomly, but is not uncommon.
Tags0.34.02, flux stone, site finder

Relationships

has duplicate 0004222 resolveduser6 Find Desired Location finds sites with no flux stone (even when asked) 
has duplicate 0004452 resolveduser6 Good regions NEVER have flux 
has duplicate 0004463 resolveduser6 Embark requirement for Flux Stone ignored 
has duplicate 0004601 resolvedLogical2u Search feature says there is flux stone, but none found when I embark 
has duplicate 0004682 resolvedLogical2u Search feature says there is NO flux stone, but was there when I embarked 
has duplicate 0005308 resolveduser6 Unable to find Iron and Flux in the same area. 
related to 0005732 resolvedToady One Site finder doesn't see flux/coal if metal ores are present 

Activities

user6

2010-06-22 19:14

  ~0008994

Another possibility is that the embark area does indeed have a flux stone, but one which is lower than the top 8 layers.

Yeah, considering how deep the embark areas go, it would be helpful to investigate this possibility.

Executer

2010-06-25 04:19

reporter   ~0009077

I've had a "Find flux: YES" on embark, it didn't show any on the layers, and I only ran into marble (the only flux on that embark) just above the magma sea. Still seems like a bug; either it should display the flux layer (shouldn't it display all the layers?) or should find embarks that have flux in the listed layers.

Cryten

2010-06-25 06:40

reporter   ~0009081

Given how many layers you get these days displaying all the layers would be very clustery if at all attainable.

user6

2011-03-01 14:02

  ~0015638

Reminder sent to: chironex, Executer

Does this perform as expected in 31.19?

wwWraith

2011-03-06 07:03

reporter   ~0015800

Last edited: 2011-03-06 07:05

 This bug still exists in 31.20.

Chattox

2011-03-06 15:55

reporter   ~0015866

It's far worse in 31.20, if I search for anything but just flux, it gets completely ignored. Very annoying.

DoctorZuber

2011-03-06 16:28

reporter   ~0015868

Last edited: 2011-03-06 16:45

 (0.31.20)
having the same issue. My usual search parameters are
flux yes
aqua no
shallow multiple
deep multiple

and so far I've found several sites that don't have flux despite the finder claiming otherwise. Until dfprospect or dfreveal are updated it's hard to say much more on the subject.

Logical2u

2011-03-06 19:00

manager   ~0015872

Are you all sure you're checking all the biomes?

DoctorZuber

2011-03-06 19:30

reporter   ~0015874

Last edited: 2011-03-06 19:33

 quite sure. I expanded my embark area and used F1/F2/F3 to make sure I checked them all.

As for frequency, it hit me on the first two sites I checked in the finder. Third time is a charm I guess, finally found a site that actually listed flux.

user1294

2011-03-07 04:03

  ~0015884

It seems that it is possible that the site finder correctly finds flux, but the flux isn't displayed on the biome profile. I'm pretty sure I've embarked in regions that the finder claimed to have flux that didn't show up in the biome profiles, yet did have flux anyway right on the surface.

Chattox

2011-03-07 06:58

reporter   ~0015891

I just set the sitefinder to look only for flux, everything else set to N/A. Most of the map was highlighted and none of it said anything about flux in the readout screen like I've seen occasionally. This is seriously annoying, the sitefinder is worse than it was before.

EmperorJon

2011-03-07 09:49

reporter   ~0015901

I think Flux no longer shows in biome info, but can still be searched for. I would class THAT as a bug.

Granite26

2011-03-07 10:08

reporter   ~0015902

Last edited: 2011-03-31 05:57

 I'm in a shallow world fort that listed flux but got it gobbled up by the magma sea.
(i.e. only one cavern layer, flat surface, magma starts ~ 30 z in)

What's the definition of 'deep'?

DoctorZuber

2011-03-07 11:23

reporter   ~0015904

deep metal? or deep soil? Neither is really "defined" yet. Also neither applies in any way to flux.

Flux is just flux.

loverevolutionary

2011-03-08 16:47

reporter   ~0015981

31.21 world gen, I look for flux in the finder, it is highlighted almost everywhere. In most areas, flux is not listed in the embark screen. When I embark where there is flux listed, that flux might be marble or it might be a sedimentary stone. When it is marble, I recall finding it close to the surface, no more than 8-12 layers down. I generally see very few medium or large regions with flux listed on the embark, mostly I see small patches. In older versions, I would often see large areas of dolomite, limestone or chalk, all close to the surface. I would think, if large areas of sedimentary flux exist in 31.19-21, they would show up with flux listed on the embark screen. Also, when I generate worlds with very little volcanism, (meaning very little marble, one would assume) I find almost NO flux listed in the embark screen.
Hypothesis: the finder lists flux in the first 8 or so layers only. In addition, sedimentary flux stone is less common, but marble near the magma sea is more common than before.

user6

2011-03-14 17:10

  ~0016254

Last edited: 2011-03-14 17:12

 xenophon posted a save at 0004222: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3967

1. Start Playing -> Dwarf Fortress
2. At the Choose Fortress Location dialog, select "f: Find Desired Location".
3. Add the following criteria:
  a. Flux Stone -> Yes
  b. Shallow Metal -> Multiple
  c. Deep Metal -> Multiple
4. Do Search and Browse Results
5. Navigate to the little island in the northwest corner, south of the glacier (name: "The Jungles of Dying")

Note that there is no flux stone listed in any of the four biomes of this island.

thermite

2011-03-16 21:38

reporter   ~0016312

Seems like a much larger problem in 31.21 than in the past. I didn't seem to notice a problem on 31.19 but now it seems like It almost never shows flux on the embark screen even though the site finder highlighted a lot of places as having flux.

rpetiger

2011-03-19 18:05

reporter   ~0016378

Last edited: 2011-03-20 09:28

 I just did a test. I put search for flux in the finder, and embarked in a place that said it had no flux. After that, I checked prospector and it says this site has marble.

@footkerchief I checked your save file, and did an embark in the jungles of dying. Even though no flux is listed, the map has 169513 units of marble in it.

It might be that the finder doesnt show flux unless there is a flux layer. That don't mean there is not flux however.

Neowulf

2011-03-30 10:13

reporter   ~0016801

.25 here, 16x16 embark over an area reported by the site finder to be containing flux. Checked with both prospector and reveal, no flux found. I have yet to actually find flux in .25

Granite26

2011-03-31 05:59

reporter   ~0016848

Is it possible the listing is backwards? It says flux but means no flux?

Doskei

2011-04-07 07:16

reporter   ~0017157

Sorry about the duplicate bug report, I'm new to this. I'll add my data here instead:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AsZU1AdPbE5CdEpBd2Ryb1cyanJpQktJUExjVG9LYnc&hl=en&authkey=CJHXvvcO

That's the results of my quick testing. Each of those sites was chosen BY dwarf fortress. I never moved or changed the size of the embarkation area from the first result found, and I ALWAYS had Flux set to Yes when searching. There are two (out of 8) sites with zero flux, and in general the total amounts are tiny (always under 100). That's compared to an average Iron Ore total of 860 (Standard Deviation of 563, so BIG error bars). During testing I had MINERAL SCARCITY set to 150 to get what should be fantastic embarkation points.

Moleculor

2012-02-20 11:49

reporter   ~0020278

Still exists as of 34.02.

HammerDave

2012-02-21 12:44

reporter   ~0020405

I have noticed many occasions where the finder gave me a green for go indicator on the region, but after embark there was no flux to be found.

From observations only, and thus not terribly scientific, I'm thinking that it's reporting there is flux for several conditions where the flux isn't really there any more. They all amount to, it was there originally but is gone now.

1. It's near the bottom, and got replaced by intrusive igneous or it got metamorphed by the volcanic activity or melted into the magma sea.
2. It's in the cavern zone, and was all eroded away by cavern creation.
3. It's on the surface, but has been eroded away. Or it has been replaced by soil.

Anecdotally it seems quite possible that a layer can be flux (ie limestone) and finder will report the existence of a flux layer, even if there is no stone remaining that is native to the layer itself.

M_So

2012-03-01 10:48

reporter   ~0020959

(Slightly off topic)

Would be nice if the site finder told you if it was 'Deep Flux, Shallow Flux, etc.' since it is almost as important as metal. (if not more so)

user11

2012-03-01 10:52

  ~0020961

Reminder sent to: M_So

Please post replies that are directly related to the report.

Post suggestions on the appropriate forum:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?board=5.0

Linkeron

2012-03-06 14:51

reporter   ~0021188

Last edited: 2012-03-09 07:57

 Issue persists in 34.05

EDIT: Under all 'Medium' world gen parameters, flux stone seems to properly be generated and displayed at embark screen.

EDIT2: But at the actual site, no flux t be found anywhere.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2010-06-22 18:58 chironex New Issue
2010-06-22 19:14 user6 Note Added: 0008994
2010-06-25 04:19 Executer Note Added: 0009077
2010-06-25 06:40 Cryten Note Added: 0009081
2010-12-10 13:22 user6 Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.31.19?
2011-03-01 14:02 user6 Note Added: 0015638
2011-03-01 14:02 user6 Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2011-03-06 07:03 wwWraith Note Added: 0015800
2011-03-06 07:05 wwWraith Note Edited: 0015800
2011-03-06 15:55 Chattox Note Added: 0015866
2011-03-06 16:28 DoctorZuber Note Added: 0015868
2011-03-06 16:45 DoctorZuber Note Edited: 0015868
2011-03-06 19:00 Logical2u Note Added: 0015872
2011-03-06 19:30 DoctorZuber Note Added: 0015874
2011-03-06 19:30 DoctorZuber Note Edited: 0015874
2011-03-06 19:33 DoctorZuber Note Edited: 0015874
2011-03-07 04:03 user1294 Note Added: 0015884
2011-03-07 06:58 Chattox Note Added: 0015891
2011-03-07 09:49 EmperorJon Note Added: 0015901
2011-03-07 10:08 Granite26 Note Added: 0015902
2011-03-07 11:23 DoctorZuber Note Added: 0015904
2011-03-08 16:47 loverevolutionary Note Added: 0015981
2011-03-09 11:16 user6 Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.31.19?
2011-03-09 11:16 user6 Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2011-03-14 17:10 user6 Note Added: 0016254
2011-03-14 17:11 user6 Relationship added has duplicate 0004222
2011-03-14 17:12 user6 Note Edited: 0016254
2011-03-16 21:38 thermite Note Added: 0016312
2011-03-19 18:05 rpetiger Note Added: 0016378
2011-03-20 09:28 rpetiger Note Edited: 0016378
2011-03-30 10:13 Neowulf Note Added: 0016801
2011-03-31 05:56 Granite26 Note Edited: 0015902
2011-03-31 05:57 Granite26 Note Edited: 0015902
2011-03-31 05:59 Granite26 Note Added: 0016848
2011-04-05 11:39 user6 Relationship added has duplicate 0004452
2011-04-07 06:11 user6 Relationship added has duplicate 0004463
2011-04-07 07:16 Doskei Note Added: 0017157
2011-05-01 15:11 Logical2u Relationship added has duplicate 0004601
2011-05-31 05:00 Logical2u Relationship added has duplicate 0004682
2012-02-20 11:49 Moleculor Note Added: 0020278
2012-02-20 11:50 Moleculor Tag Attached: 34.02
2012-02-20 11:50 Moleculor Tag Detached: 34.02
2012-02-20 11:50 Moleculor Tag Attached: 0.34.02
2012-02-20 11:50 Moleculor Tag Attached: flux stone
2012-02-20 11:50 Moleculor Tag Attached: site finder
2012-02-21 06:46 user6 Relationship added has duplicate 0005308
2012-02-21 06:47 user6 Sticky Issue No => Yes
2012-02-21 12:44 HammerDave Note Added: 0020405
2012-03-01 10:48 M_So Note Added: 0020959
2012-03-01 10:52 user11 Note Added: 0020961
2012-03-06 14:51 Linkeron Note Added: 0021188
2012-03-06 15:03 Linkeron Note Edited: 0021188
2012-03-09 07:57 Linkeron Note Edited: 0021188
2012-03-29 04:42 Toady One Status new => resolved
2012-03-29 04:42 Toady One Fixed in Version => Next Version
2012-03-29 04:42 Toady One Resolution open => fixed
2012-03-29 04:42 Toady One Assigned To => Toady One
2012-03-29 05:39 user11 Sticky Issue Yes => No
2012-06-15 09:05 user6 Relationship added related to 0005732