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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0003071 | Dwarf Fortress | Material Properties | public | 2010-08-19 12:37 | 2012-03-17 07:13 |
| Reporter | Quietust | Assigned To | Toady One | ||
| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | resolved | Resolution | fixed | ||
| Product Version | 0.31.12 | ||||
| Fixed in Version | 0.31.22 | ||||
| Summary | 0003071: All hardcoded materials (glass etc) have uninitialized MAX_EDGE and ABSORPTION and crappy yield/fracture/strain values | ||||
| Description | In an attempt to determine the various material properties of green glass, clear glass, and crystal glass, I've discovered that the game fails to initialize their MAX_EDGE values at all, resulting in them being mostly random each time you begin a game. Using a memory viewer, one run in Arena mode resulted in green glass having max edge 102, clear glass having 1, and crystal glass having 93, while another run had 0 for green glass, 2 for clear glass, and 507 for crystal glass. In the data for the various metal types, the value is being set correctly. On a related note, the physical properties for glass all seem to be placeholder values - all of the YIELD and FRACTURE values are 10000 and all of the STRAIN_AT_YIELD values are 0. | ||||
| Additional Information | This may explain the observation in 0002813 that glass trap components are ineffective. | ||||
| Tags | No tags attached. | ||||
| related to | 0004108 | new | Mussels and oysters lack any material based on PEARL_TEMPLATE, despite having the [PEARL] token | |
| parent of | 0002813 | resolved | Toady One | Glass weapons (in traps) are comically ineffective |
| related to | 0003612 | resolved | Toady One | Banditry default leads to rampant dwarf/elf banditry |
| related to | 0004058 | new | Forgotten Beasts/Demons of certain materials are far too weak. | |
| related to | 0003498 | new | Some hardcoded materials are unrealistically immune to heat/cold | |
| related to | 0004050 | resolved | Toady One | Plants stored in large glass pots are not used by jobs, and other irregularities with pots |
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This assumes that MAX_EDGE is used when determining the amount of damage inflicted by EDGE attacks (which it ought to), as opposed to only the YIELD/FRACTURE/STRAIN values. |
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Further memory hacking seems to indicate that ALL of the hardcoded materials ("rock", amber, coral, green glass, clear glass, crystal glass, water, coal, potash, ash, pearlash, lye, mud, vomit, salt, brown filth, yellow filth, unknown substance, and grime) have an undefined MAX_EDGE, though in practice this only affects glass. They also all seem to use the same yield/fracture/strain values of 10000/10000/0, which may cause titans/demons/forgotten beasts made of these materials to be less dangerous than they ought to be. |
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You are a god. And, just so I actually contribute something useful to the bug report, I've seen glass be pretty useless in several of my forts. I'm actually using the uselessness as part of a weapon design now. |
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It should be noted that ABSORPTION is also uninitialized, which means that glass jugs and pots will frequently be unusable for liquid storage. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2010-08-19 12:37 | Quietust | New Issue | |
| 2010-08-19 13:04 | Quietust | Note Added: 0011929 | |
| 2010-08-19 17:52 | Logical2u | Relationship added | related to 0002813 |
| 2010-09-08 12:42 | Quietust | Note Added: 0012517 | |
| 2010-09-08 12:44 | Quietust | Note Edited: 0012517 | |
| 2010-09-08 15:43 | Beeskee | Note Added: 0012519 | |
| 2010-11-19 06:48 |
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Relationship added | related to 0003612 |
| 2011-02-22 06:36 | Quietust | Note Added: 0015393 | |
| 2011-02-22 07:10 |
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Summary | Glass's MAX_EDGE is uninitialized => Glass's MAX_EDGE and ABSORPTION are uninitialized |
| 2011-02-23 07:19 |
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Relationship added | related to 0004058 |
| 2011-03-02 09:36 |
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Summary | Glass's MAX_EDGE and ABSORPTION are uninitialized => All hardcoded materials (glass etc) have uninitialized MAX_EDGE and ABSORPTION |
| 2011-03-02 09:37 |
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Relationship added | related to 0003498 |
| 2011-03-02 09:38 |
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Relationship replaced | parent of 0002813 |
| 2011-03-02 09:38 |
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Relationship added | related to 0004108 |
| 2011-03-02 09:38 |
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Sticky Issue | No => Yes |
| 2011-03-02 09:39 |
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Summary | All hardcoded materials (glass etc) have uninitialized MAX_EDGE and ABSORPTION => All hardcoded materials (glass etc) have uninitialized MAX_EDGE and ABSORPTION and crappy yield/fracture/strain values |
| 2011-03-06 19:31 |
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Relationship added | related to 0004054 |
| 2011-03-07 09:33 | Quietust | Note Edited: 0015393 | |
| 2011-03-09 04:05 | Toady One | Status | new => resolved |
| 2011-03-09 04:05 | Toady One | Fixed in Version | => 0.31.22 |
| 2011-03-09 04:05 | Toady One | Resolution | open => fixed |
| 2011-03-09 04:05 | Toady One | Assigned To | => Toady One |
| 2011-03-09 11:26 |
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Relationship added | related to 0004050 |
| 2011-03-09 11:26 |
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Relationship deleted | related to 0004054 |
| 2012-03-17 07:13 |
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Sticky Issue | Yes => No |
