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0006737Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Environmentpublic2014-07-08 16:342024-10-19 13:16
Reporterpsioryx Assigned ToToady One  
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
Status confirmedResolutionreopened 
PlatformMacOSOSXOS Version10.9.4
Product Version0.40.01 
Fixed in Version0.40.10 
Summary0006737: Flying animals (e.g. birds) stuck in mid air (prevents invasions?)
DescriptionHave had 3 ravens several z levels up, no trees around, just sitting there in the same spot for several seasons now.
Steps To Reproduceno idea
Additional InformationLots of other stuff flying around as they should.
TagsNo tags attached.

Relationships

related to 0007651 resolvedToady One Default ORIENTATION excludes some animals from breeding 
has duplicate 0007028 resolveduser6 Keas will steal items and not leave the embark site. 
has duplicate 0007093 resolveduser6 Flying creatures stuck in the skies, possibly causing massive FPS drops due to broken pathfinding 
has duplicate 0007644 resolveduser6 Flying animals trapped 
has duplicate 0007742 resolveduser6 [FLIER] Tag causes several issues, including ceased movement of creatures and zero invaders as well as FPS issues. 
has duplicate 0007926 resolveduser11 The wild Animals stay always 
has duplicate 0007973 resolveduser6 Birds get stuck mid-air 
has duplicate 0007840 resolveduser6 Undead creatures are sticked to the borders of the map 
related to 0007170 resolvedToady One Troglodytes get stuck while climbing 
related to 0005421 new Adventurer flight empairment 
related to 0006545 resolvedToady One Flying creatures stop flying, fall to the ground, and explode 
related to 0009362 confirmedLoci Flying visitors hovering near map edge and not pathing to tavern 

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user6

2014-07-08 16:49

  ~0025178

Please upload a save that demonstrates the problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ and post the link here.

psioryx

2014-07-08 18:30

reporter   ~0025200

The issue went away eventually. I can still provide the save file if it will help. It currently has another issue in progress: Necromancer of siege is not leaving edge of map.

user6

2014-07-11 20:21

  ~0025919

Orkel posted a save at 0007093: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8887

4maskwolf

2014-07-12 05:53

reporter   ~0025963

If we're talking about immobile creatures, a similar thing with creatures not moving is happening in a current fort with undead on the edge of the map.

eliotcougar

2014-07-12 14:21

reporter   ~0026023

I'm not sure I should open an additional issue while there're so many flying relater issues that may have common cause...
Does anyone notice that in adventure mode almost all birds just sit on the ground and don't even try to fly away if you attack them?..

Rafal99

2014-07-12 14:55

reporter   ~0026027

In my fort I had a cluster of 9 Raven Men/Women sitting in midair about 10 z-levels above ground for 4 ingame months. During that time no other above-ground animals spawned on my map.
Eventually I got a quiver from dead goblins so I could send a marksdwarf to shoot them down. Once some of them got hit they all dispersed in horror and flew in all directions.

frodo0800

2014-07-14 06:38

reporter   ~0026312

The issue seems to be present on .03 too. And the same thing happened to me Rafal99, except I removed the flier tag from them so they could stop lagging everything.

exottoyuhr

2014-07-19 08:21

reporter   ~0026947

Last edited: 2014-07-19 08:42

 I think this happens -- sporadically -- with all flying creatures. In Losing Is !!Magic!! for 40.03, I saw a pegasus get stuck in the air next to a constructed wall, blinking some sort of brown color. (I told him to dismantle the wall, then cancelled that order, and his pathing went back to normal and he got back to work.)

lethosor

2014-07-20 19:40

manager   ~0027093

Reminder sent to: eliotcougar, frodo0800, psioryx, Rafal99

As mentioned in 0005421:0026952, this could be the same problem as 0006737. Can you check the tiles surrounding the stuck creatures with [k] to see if they are listed as "open space" or simply blank? (Preferably in the current version of DF, since 0.40.01-02 saves aren't compatible with the latest DF version.)

Rafal99

2014-07-26 05:14

reporter   ~0027585

Last edited: 2014-07-26 05:14

 Unfortunately I don't have any forts in 40.03+ atm, but I loaded my save with this bug in DF 40.02 and checked the tiles where the Raven Men are stuck and all of these tiles and all the surrouding tiles too show as "Open space".

But reading 0005421 it seems that open space refers there to any air tiles that are loaded, rather than to tiles being listed as "Open space" in the look menu.

Kirkegaard

2014-07-26 08:09

reporter   ~0027606

Last edited: 2014-07-26 08:10

 @lethosor
I have a fort with 9 keas stuck in the air around the map. They are all in "open space". There is also 2 Hedgehog womans that have crawled up in a tree and are stuck now, they are not marked as in "open space"
Should I upload a save?
(version 0.40.3)

user11

2014-07-26 08:16

  ~0027607

Reminder sent to: Kirkegaard

Yes, upload the save and post a link in the report.

Kirkegaard

2014-07-26 08:34

reporter   ~0027608

Save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9160

Talvieno

2014-07-28 20:13

manager   ~0027845

I have three stuck keas as well.

Ataman

2014-07-30 15:33

reporter   ~0027985

Last edited: 2014-08-05 03:36

 This bug really needs fixing birds being stuck blocks sieges and any form of hostiles as well.

In short:
Stuck birds = No Invaders, No Megabeasts, No Wildlife and No Forgotten Beasts.

EDIT: (I might be wrong about beasts though).
Save for vanilla 40.06: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9292

tacomagic

2014-08-09 11:30

reporter   ~0028655

Last edited: 2014-08-09 11:47

 I've got two Giant owls stuck on this map:

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9332

Of note, this bug seems to also negatively effect animal breeding. In the two years since the owls got stuck, I've had only one domestic animal birth. I've had a peahen sitting on a clutch of 7 eggs for the entire age of the fort and boar/sow combo that's barren. Even more interesting, my cats haven't bred either.

This may be related to 0007651

Could also be related to the undead problems. There's an undead elf left over from a siege that's been idling on the map since the owls got stuck.

musicmastermsh

2014-08-09 19:23

reporter   ~0028692

Stuck barn owl, dwarves breeding like alpacas, alpacas breeding like dwarves. (they're unmarried to they ain't doing squat) Haven't had any invasions or goblins so far, just some monkeys.

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9335

Borschwanger

2014-08-10 00:22

reporter   ~0028702

I have had 9 Giant Wrens for a year and a quarter and they are too high to be hunted. Also have some carp that gave birth, not sure if they are supposed to stick around either. I have had both a kobold ambush and a goblin siege. The ewe/ram pair and my dogs have given birth. My cat pair has not. Haven't allowed eggs to sit for hatching since I couldn't hunt any food so that is as yet unknown. Lots of dwarf births.

Loci

2014-08-12 09:23

viewer   ~0028877

After a certain amount of time on the map, animal groups path to the map edge to migrate out. It appears that the "migrate out" code does not correctly handle critters without a walkable path to an edge (from flying, climbing, or swimming). Preventing fliers from becoming airborne (such as roofing over the floor of the caverns) allows them to migrate off the map successfully.

Since this bug completely breaks one of the more interesting aspects of the game, I think it should qualify for more than "minor" severity.

thvaz

2014-08-13 00:12

reporter   ~0028925

I got ravens stuck in the air, but I have had invasions.

Robsoie

2014-08-13 12:23

reporter   ~0028971

Last edited: 2014-08-13 12:24

 I experimented with a fortress of mine in 40.08, as despite i had only 20 dwarves the game was running much slower than it should .
I noticed i had 6 "kea" and 6 "sparrow men" stuck in the air all around the map, not moving.

I decided to edit the saved game own raw and remove the [FLIER] tag from both creature_birds.txt and creature_birds_new.txt files

Then i loaded that save, the 6 keas and the 6 sparrow men (or simple sparrow, i'm not sure i remember them right) fell to the ground, the sparrow men were more lucky as they landed in a tree top, allowing most of them to survive, while the keas were less lucky and all died.

Following that the game wasn't slow anymore, and was running quite fast actually (and much more in par with how it usually run with only 20 dwarves)

tacomagic

2014-08-13 13:58

reporter   ~0028990

Through a series of tests we proved that there is actually no link between stuck birds and breeding:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142171.msg5570374#msg5570374

Thus, there is no relationship between this bug and 0007651.

user6

2014-08-13 15:38

  ~0028994

I agree that there's probably no relationship, but proving one link doesn't disprove another link.

user6

2015-01-12 15:52

  ~0031916

Reopened and awaiting a save.

ptb_ptb

2015-01-12 21:23

reporter   ~0031918

Storkmen stuck over a volcano. Follow the stairs. :)

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10435

Killzemallgod

2015-12-18 19:56

reporter   ~0034039

Seems to also effect flying guests.
0009382 http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9382

And 0009385 appears to be a copy of it.
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9385

LaularuKyrumo

2019-08-04 13:33

reporter   ~0039471

I wonder if this has anything to do with how flying creatures can only pathfind to areas they would be able to access without flying? Since the creature gets stuck in the air, it has nowhere it can reach without flying, and therefore does not even attempt to go anywhere.

Mirro

2024-10-19 13:16

reporter   ~0042403

This issue persists in all my saves in the Steam version. They prevent other animals from wandering into the map.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2014-07-08 16:34 psioryx New Issue
2014-07-08 16:49 user6 Note Added: 0025178
2014-07-08 16:49 user6 Assigned To => user6
2014-07-08 16:49 user6 Status new => feedback
2014-07-08 18:30 psioryx Note Added: 0025200
2014-07-08 18:30 psioryx Status feedback => assigned
2014-07-11 07:32 user6 Relationship added has duplicate 0007028
2014-07-11 20:21 user6 Relationship added has duplicate 0007093
2014-07-11 20:21 user6 Note Added: 0025919
2014-07-12 05:53 4maskwolf Note Added: 0025963
2014-07-12 14:21 eliotcougar Note Added: 0026023
2014-07-12 14:55 Rafal99 Note Added: 0026027
2014-07-12 19:37 user6 Relationship added related to 0007170
2014-07-14 06:38 frodo0800 Note Added: 0026312
2014-07-19 08:21 exottoyuhr Note Added: 0026947
2014-07-19 08:42 exottoyuhr Note Edited: 0026947
2014-07-20 19:40 lethosor Note Added: 0027093
2014-07-20 20:24 lethosor Assigned To user6 => lethosor
2014-07-21 04:35 lethosor Relationship added related to 0005421
2014-07-22 08:24 lethosor Status assigned => feedback
2014-07-26 05:14 Rafal99 Note Added: 0027585
2014-07-26 05:14 Rafal99 Note Edited: 0027585
2014-07-26 07:11 user6 Relationship added has duplicate 0007644
2014-07-26 08:09 Kirkegaard Note Added: 0027606
2014-07-26 08:10 Kirkegaard Note Edited: 0027606
2014-07-26 08:16 user11 Note Added: 0027607
2014-07-26 08:34 Kirkegaard Note Added: 0027608
2014-07-26 15:22 user6 Relationship added related to 0006545
2014-07-28 20:13 Talvieno Note Added: 0027845
2014-07-30 11:32 user6 Relationship added has duplicate 0007742
2014-07-30 15:33 Ataman Note Added: 0027985
2014-07-30 18:43 lethosor Status feedback => acknowledged
2014-07-30 18:45 lethosor Relationship replaced child of 0007170
2014-08-04 21:26 user11 Summary Ravens stuck in mid air => Ravens stuck in mid air (prevents invasions?)
2014-08-05 03:36 Ataman Note Edited: 0027985
2014-08-09 11:30 tacomagic Note Added: 0028655
2014-08-09 11:30 tacomagic Note Edited: 0028655
2014-08-09 11:30 tacomagic Note Edited: 0028655
2014-08-09 11:36 tacomagic Note Edited: 0028655
2014-08-09 11:47 tacomagic Note Edited: 0028655
2014-08-09 12:20 user6 Relationship added related to 0007651
2014-08-09 12:20 user6 Status acknowledged => confirmed
2014-08-09 12:25 user6 Relationship replaced related to 0007170
2014-08-09 12:27 user6 Summary Ravens stuck in mid air (prevents invasions?) => Flying animals stuck in mid air (prevents invasions?)
2014-08-09 13:59 user11 Relationship added has duplicate 0007926
2014-08-09 19:23 musicmastermsh Note Added: 0028692
2014-08-10 00:22 Borschwanger Note Added: 0028702
2014-08-12 08:48 user6 Summary Flying animals stuck in mid air (prevents invasions?) => Flying animals (e.g. birds) stuck in mid air (prevents invasions?)
2014-08-12 08:48 user6 Relationship added has duplicate 0007973
2014-08-12 09:23 Loci Note Added: 0028877
2014-08-13 00:12 thvaz Note Added: 0028925
2014-08-13 12:23 Robsoie Note Added: 0028971
2014-08-13 12:24 Robsoie Note Edited: 0028971
2014-08-13 13:58 tacomagic Note Added: 0028990
2014-08-13 15:38 user6 Note Added: 0028994
2014-08-18 11:44 user6 Relationship added has duplicate 0007840
2014-08-18 12:17 Toady One Status confirmed => resolved
2014-08-18 12:17 Toady One Fixed in Version => Next Version
2014-08-18 12:17 Toady One Resolution open => fixed
2014-08-18 12:17 Toady One Assigned To lethosor => Toady One
2015-01-12 15:51 user6 Status resolved => feedback
2015-01-12 15:51 user6 Resolution fixed => reopened
2015-01-12 15:52 user6 Note Added: 0031916
2015-01-12 21:23 ptb_ptb Note Added: 0031918
2015-03-29 08:48 user6 Status feedback => confirmed
2015-12-18 19:56 Killzemallgod Note Added: 0034039
2016-08-07 07:10 Loci Relationship added related to 0009362
2019-08-04 13:33 LaularuKyrumo Note Added: 0039471
2024-10-19 13:16 Mirro Note Added: 0042403