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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0000823 | Dwarf Fortress | Dwarf Mode -- Interface, Manager | public | 2010-04-08 14:20 | 2011-04-07 10:11 |
| Reporter | Quietust | Assigned To | Toady One | ||
| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | resolved | Resolution | fixed | ||
| Fixed in Version | 0.31.13 | ||||
| Summary | 0000823: "Native" ores use METAL_TEMPLATE, can supposedly be used for "sharp blades" and studding (doesn't work) | ||||
| Description | Native copper, native silver, native gold, native platinum, native aluminum, horn silver (as per 0000821), raw adamantine, and slade all use METAL_TEMPLATE; as a result, it is possible to add jobs via the job manager to stud equipment with them. Actually attempting to add such a job will result in failure with the reason "Needs [ore] bars" (even if the ore itself is available, it still insists on bars). | ||||
| Steps To Reproduce | 1. Embark with an anvil, a rock, some nuggets of one of the above ores, and a dwarf with Metal crafting skill. 2. Assign the Manager position to some dwarf. 3. Build a metalsmith's forge. 4. Using the job manager, enqueue a task to "Stud with native [ore]", for whatever ore was brought during embark. | ||||
| Tags | metal | ||||
| related to | 0001399 | resolved | "Native" ores can't be used at mason's shop | |
| parent of | 0000821 | resolved | Toady One | Horn silver uses METAL_TEMPLATE |
| parent of | 0003108 | resolved | Toady One | Native metals/raw adamantine have default metal properties |
| parent of | 0001887 | resolved | Toady One | Mayor mandates "Make raw adamantine items", impossible to fulfill |
| parent of | 0001817 | resolved | Nobles issue mandates for raw adamantine items | |
| parent of | 0000782 | resolved | Toady One | [SPOILERS] Mayor mandates items of HFS material |
| has duplicate | 0001211 | closed | 2 "stones" listed in preferences, no "metal" | |
| has duplicate | 0002342 | resolved | You can make all weapons&armor from 'native' ores in the arena, and I think there could be a relationship with the rock bars bug | |
| has duplicate | 0002781 | resolved | Native Gold/Silver Ores melted into unusable native gold/silver bars | |
| related to | 0000445 | resolved | Toady One | Native silver + stone crafter -> large native silver |
| related to | 0002151 | resolved | Toady One | Mandate for "make native gold items" satisfied merely by mining out ore |
| related to | 0000099 | resolved | Toady One | Fey dwarf screams for 'rock bars'. |
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Edited the title to include some other problems with ores that use METAL_TEMPLATE. |
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The eligibility for "sharp blades" seems to be what permits making weapons out of them in Arena mode, but this probably has rather unexpected results with the "native" ores since it ends up using all of the default properties for metals (except for slade, which explicitly redefines all of said properties so they make sense). |
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The "sharp blades" also appears to permit making rock short swords (or any other weapons with [CAN_STONE]), giving all of them properties roughly equivalent to steel (except with much higher elasticity values). Due to 0000256, though, it doesn't actually create them successfully. |
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Also appears while inspecting ores ('k' then cursor to mined out ore chunk) |
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This appears to cause another issue: ores which use METAL_TEMPLATE can be designated for Melting - actually melting them produces "native [whatever] bars" which can probably then be used for studding. |
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Yeah, I had this bug also, my stonecrafter tried to make native gold short swords. |
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@Footkerchief: While my bug report was specifically for the arena, yea I guess I didn't quite see that the same conclusion had already been made and I had been wanting to get my thoughts out there. Good idea to sticky this as the root of this bug could even solve the strange alchemy going on with gold goblets getting turned into iron and shell artifacts turning into iron. |
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The "root" of this bug is the [IS_METAL] or whatever in the metal template, isn't it? I don't see how gold --> iron relates. |
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^^^ Yes. The gold/iron thing is probably unrelated. |
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They no longer use templates as of 0.31.13, so the studding jobs should go away, as well as some other issues. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2010-04-08 14:20 | Quietust | New Issue | |
| 2010-04-08 15:19 |
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Summary | Job manager permits studding with METAL_TEMPLATE stones => "Native" ores that use METAL_TEMPLATE are considered eligible for "sharp blades" and studding, but it doesn't actually work |
| 2010-04-08 15:19 |
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Note Added: 0002169 | |
| 2010-04-08 15:55 | Quietust | Note Added: 0002185 | |
| 2010-04-08 16:40 | Quietust | Note Added: 0002193 | |
| 2010-04-08 20:16 | quatch | Tag Attached: metal | |
| 2010-04-08 20:18 | quatch | Note Added: 0002240 | |
| 2010-04-15 16:25 |
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Relationship added | parent of 0001211 |
| 2010-04-19 01:30 |
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Tag Attached: PROBABLE QUICK FIX | |
| 2010-04-21 11:28 |
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Summary | "Native" ores that use METAL_TEMPLATE are considered eligible for "sharp blades" and studding, but it doesn't actually work => "Native" ores use METAL_TEMPLATE, can supposedly be used for "sharp blades" and studding (doesn't work), can't be used as stone |
| 2010-04-21 11:28 |
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Relationship added | parent of 0001399 |
| 2010-04-21 11:32 |
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Summary | "Native" ores use METAL_TEMPLATE, can supposedly be used for "sharp blades" and studding (doesn't work), can't be used as stone => "Native" ores use METAL_TEMPLATE, can supposedly be used for "sharp blades" and studding (doesn't work), can't be used by mason |
| 2010-04-26 17:35 |
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Relationship replaced | has duplicate 0001211 |
| 2010-04-28 09:51 | smjjames | Tag Attached: quick fix | |
| 2010-05-05 21:28 |
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Tag Detached: quick fix | |
| 2010-05-06 10:24 |
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Relationship added | related to 0000445 |
| 2010-05-21 07:35 | Quietust | Note Added: 0007127 | |
| 2010-06-04 08:52 |
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Relationship added | related to 0002151 |
| 2010-06-08 17:15 | Hieronymous Alloy | Note Added: 0007965 | |
| 2010-06-11 09:16 |
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Relationship added | related to 0000099 |
| 2010-06-11 09:23 |
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Sticky Issue | No => Yes |
| 2010-06-15 12:12 |
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Relationship added | has duplicate 0002342 |
| 2010-06-15 12:27 | smjjames | Note Added: 0008523 | |
| 2010-07-09 13:23 | dree12 | Note Added: 0009840 | |
| 2010-07-09 17:31 |
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Note Added: 0009849 | |
| 2010-07-09 17:31 |
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Note Edited: 0009849 | |
| 2010-07-22 07:32 |
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Relationship added | parent of 0002781 |
| 2010-07-22 07:35 |
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Relationship replaced | has duplicate 0002781 |
| 2010-07-23 08:54 |
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Relationship replaced | related to 0001399 |
| 2010-07-31 02:09 |
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Relationship added | parent of 0000821 |
| 2010-08-02 17:05 |
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Summary | "Native" ores use METAL_TEMPLATE, can supposedly be used for "sharp blades" and studding (doesn't work), can't be used by mason => "Native" ores use METAL_TEMPLATE, can supposedly be used for "sharp blades" and studding (doesn't work) |
| 2010-08-25 23:11 |
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Relationship added | parent of 0003108 |
| 2010-09-06 05:18 | Toady One | Note Added: 0012452 | |
| 2010-09-06 05:18 | Toady One | Status | new => resolved |
| 2010-09-06 05:18 | Toady One | Fixed in Version | => 0.31.13 |
| 2010-09-06 05:18 | Toady One | Resolution | open => fixed |
| 2010-09-06 05:18 | Toady One | Assigned To | => Toady One |
| 2010-09-06 08:19 |
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Tag Detached: Probable Quick Fix | |
| 2010-09-06 08:23 |
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Sticky Issue | Yes => No |
| 2011-10-15 09:26 |
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Relationship added | parent of 0001887 |
| 2011-10-15 09:35 |
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Relationship added | parent of 0001817 |
| 2011-12-11 09:49 |
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Relationship added | parent of 0000782 |
