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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0011127 | Dwarf Fortress | Dwarf Mode -- Environment | public | 2019-07-23 12:11 | 2019-07-24 08:36 |
| Reporter | kermat | Assigned To | Loci | ||
| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | acknowledged | Resolution | open | ||
| OS | Windows | OS Version | 10 Pro | ||
| Product Version | 0.44.12 | ||||
| Summary | 0011127: Shallow (1/7 and 2/7) water on vegetation tiles turns into ice walls during winter | ||||
| Description | According to the wiki, 4/7 water is the "Minimum height to make an ice wall when frozen": http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Water I have a drowning hallway on my map which is in the process of being drained during the winter. The water drains onto my aboveground farm where the tile depths are mostly 1/7 and occasionally 2/7. When frost sets in, many of these tiles turn into Ice walls. Uploaded save here: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14472 Current date in the save file is moonstone 26th. The frost sets in on moonstone 27th. - open the save, it should already be on the farm level. Otherwise shortcut F2 will go there. - leftmost room is where the water is draining - let the game run for a short while and notice how the shallow water tiles turn into ice walls This makes me think that either the wiki is wrong or that this is a bug. Considering that 1/7 water is less than knee-deep, seeing 1/7 water turn to a tile-high ice wall makes me lean towards it being a bug. Note: not all water tiles turn into an ice wall. Many of them turn into Muddy ice. The only mention of this phenomenon I found on the bugtracker was in the comments of this bug http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1562#c6392 It was posted back in 2010. Maybe nobody ever bothered reporting this bug? My other searches on the bugtracker did not yield anyone else reporting this. Another somewhat related odd behaviour which might be a bug is that when the thaw sets in it turns all the "Muddy Ice" tiles into 1/7, 2/7 and 3/7 water. I took the time to pause the game and step through until the first tick when the thaw sets in. It occurs around roughly 3/4th of the 2nd Obsidian (so about a month after the frost sets in). I don't know if this is intended behaviour or a bug. If it's the latter then it may deserve its own report. Screenshots are included with the save. | ||||
| Steps To Reproduce | - have an aboveground basin that contains water levels of 1/7, 2/7 and 3/7 but not higher - wait for the temperature to drop so that water freezes - you should see many of these water tiles turning into Ice walls | ||||
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Thank you for the save. The tiles which freeze to ice walls all contain vegetation -- either shrubs or saplings. Just designating a (suspended) farm plot over the water tiles prevents them from freezing to ice walls. |
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Thanks for the reply. It never occurred to me that the vegetation was causing the ice walls to form. And thanks for the tip on preventing them to form. I did some more testing and I think there are more factors that can cause an ice wall to form than the vegetation. If you go 1 z-level up, there are 2 hallways that drain onto a platform that's made of green glass blocks. When the frost sets in, (damp) ice walls slowly form on this platform as well. I tested it by pausing the game as soon as I saw the river freezing, then stepping through and watching how the water behaves when it forms on the platform's surface. a) if the platform tile was muddy ice with mud on top, a 1/7 water tile forms on it and on the next tick will turn into an ice wall b) (uncommonly) if the platform tile is still a muddy green glass block floor with a pile of mud on top of it, a 1/7 water tile will form onto it and on the next tick turn it into a muddy ice tile (like the starting scenario in a). This can then continue until an ice wall has formed on this tile. This scenario happened once for me to test it. I guess the water randomly evaporated off one of the floor tiles right before the frost, leaving time for a new 1/7 water tile to form onto it and turn it into a muddy ice tile. Unfortunately I was not able to record or save this. It doesn't bother me while dorfing but it seems like something worth mentioning nonetheless. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2019-07-23 12:11 | kermat | New Issue | |
| 2019-07-23 13:51 | Loci | Note Added: 0039447 | |
| 2019-07-23 13:51 | Loci | Assigned To | => Loci |
| 2019-07-23 13:51 | Loci | Status | new => acknowledged |
| 2019-07-23 13:53 | Loci | Summary | Shallow (1/7 and 2/7) water turns into ice walls during winter => Shallow (1/7 and 2/7) water on vegetation tiles turns into ice walls during winter |
| 2019-07-23 13:54 | Loci | Relationship added | related to 0001562 |
| 2019-07-24 08:36 | kermat | Note Added: 0039450 |
